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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 3954457" data-attributes="member: 16991">Rogue still has its other disads - low starting hit points, a hit to caster level and BAB If someone thinks this is worth it for the extra skills, I'm okay with that choice. Plus they take a hit to known class skills, having to chose between Concentration and Spell craft for instance.The primary advantage I see with my model is that all skills become useable at higher levels.The 1/2 level in all untrained skills is crucial. but the 3+ level model has some advantages, like meshing well with current DCs and not needing new feats.  This would reduce skill focus back to +3, nearly useless.I'll consider this.</blockquote>