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To the Official Folks: How will Wishes affect Feats?
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<blockquote data-quote="rushlight" data-source="post: 285360" data-attributes="member: 3801"><p>I think it would be possible to allow a Wish to grant an extra feat. However, there are two ways I can see to help control the process so that it doesn't go wild and destroy the game. </p><p></p><p>First, consider increasing the cost in XP. Wish /can/ cost more XP than 5k, when using Wish to duplicate a spell that has a higher XP cost. You could extrapolate that and increase the XP needed to grant a feat to whatever limit you feel appropriate.</p><p></p><p>Second, you could enforce the granting of feats in the same manner that ability increases are handled. No more than five Wished feats per character, and to grant more than one feat requires casting Wish in immediate succession. So if you Wish for one feat, and then a little later you want another feat it would require two wishes just to get the second feat. Unless you are willing to blow the whole 25,000 at once. Even then only if you allow "XP debt" and that would set a character back to 0 XP from almost 8th level. </p><p></p><p>If you don't allow "XP debt" for this, then it will take slightly more XP since the caster would have to make a few Wish scrolls and wait a while, gain more XP and make a few more scrolls before being able to cast five Wishes at once. After all, the largest XP gap is from 19th to 20th (not including Epic levels) and that's only 19,000 XP. So you are looking at slightly more XP (only 153 XP per scroll) and GP, and also significatly more time required, to gain 5 feats. </p><p></p><p>Either way, I think you've cut back on all the feat Wishing. No Wizard who wants to get better will blow 25k XP on each comrade (if the Wizard even HAD that much XP). However, granting just one feat to each buddy will almost certainly prevent future feats, since it will take 10k XP just to add one more feat. That's 15k for two feats, and it only gets worse if you add more incrementally (75,000 XP total if you add one feat at a time to one person...)</p><p></p><p>I'd also say that you couldn't Wish for a feat that you didn't already have the prereq for. Also one Wished for feat couldn't be a prereq for a second Wished for feat at the same casting. In other words, no Wishing for entire feat chains at once... You'll have to spend the full 75k XP for that. That's enough XP for a 17th level caster to become 21st level I believe, or just 1k off. If you can convince a 17th level Wizard to give up gaining four levels to grant 5 feats, I say sure.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rushlight, post: 285360, member: 3801"] I think it would be possible to allow a Wish to grant an extra feat. However, there are two ways I can see to help control the process so that it doesn't go wild and destroy the game. First, consider increasing the cost in XP. Wish /can/ cost more XP than 5k, when using Wish to duplicate a spell that has a higher XP cost. You could extrapolate that and increase the XP needed to grant a feat to whatever limit you feel appropriate. Second, you could enforce the granting of feats in the same manner that ability increases are handled. No more than five Wished feats per character, and to grant more than one feat requires casting Wish in immediate succession. So if you Wish for one feat, and then a little later you want another feat it would require two wishes just to get the second feat. Unless you are willing to blow the whole 25,000 at once. Even then only if you allow "XP debt" and that would set a character back to 0 XP from almost 8th level. If you don't allow "XP debt" for this, then it will take slightly more XP since the caster would have to make a few Wish scrolls and wait a while, gain more XP and make a few more scrolls before being able to cast five Wishes at once. After all, the largest XP gap is from 19th to 20th (not including Epic levels) and that's only 19,000 XP. So you are looking at slightly more XP (only 153 XP per scroll) and GP, and also significatly more time required, to gain 5 feats. Either way, I think you've cut back on all the feat Wishing. No Wizard who wants to get better will blow 25k XP on each comrade (if the Wizard even HAD that much XP). However, granting just one feat to each buddy will almost certainly prevent future feats, since it will take 10k XP just to add one more feat. That's 15k for two feats, and it only gets worse if you add more incrementally (75,000 XP total if you add one feat at a time to one person...) I'd also say that you couldn't Wish for a feat that you didn't already have the prereq for. Also one Wished for feat couldn't be a prereq for a second Wished for feat at the same casting. In other words, no Wishing for entire feat chains at once... You'll have to spend the full 75k XP for that. That's enough XP for a 17th level caster to become 21st level I believe, or just 1k off. If you can convince a 17th level Wizard to give up gaining four levels to grant 5 feats, I say sure. [/QUOTE]
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