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<blockquote data-quote="Riastlin" data-source="post: 5608019" data-attributes="member: 94022"><p>Particularly with the CB and DDi, I prefer the updates. Simply put I think our options are going to be either a) few options and little to no updates or b) more options but with more frequent updates.</p><p> </p><p>As it stands now, I think that there are a little over 9,000 items in the Compendium. Even accounting for the 6 tiers of magic items, you still get over 1,500 unique items before feats, class abilities, powers, etc. are taken into account. Even with more thorough playtesting, there's just no way to adequately test every option and have it "perfect" out of the box. Honestly, to do so would require combining every item with every possible party makeup including every possible feat, power, item selection, etc. As a result, broken combos are going to find their way into the game no matter how much they try to playtest.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>I won't argue with you on the skill challenges, but your comments about the expertise feats and the MM1 monsters actually contradict. If the math were "broken" then the monsters would be overpowered. If the monsters were sub par, then the math was fine (or too much in the players' favor).</p><p> </p><p>Now, the hit rates may not have been what was necessarily intended, or what people thought they should be, but strictly speaking, the expertise feats were not absolutely needed. As it stands now, it seems as though my players rarely miss during standard encounters. Fortunately, the monster upgrades have helped to off set this a bit. As it stands though, I still have most of my players at level 12 attacking with a +19 before flanking, combat advantage (yes I know it doesn't stack with flanking), power bonuses, etc. are accounted for. Considering how easy it is to get situational bonuses to the attack, it often gets to the point where they will almost never miss.</p><p> </p><p>Anyhoo, I personally like the fact that they continue to look at their product and update it as they go to try and keep it balanced. Will updates eliminate house rules? No, of course not. But I do think it limits the number of house rules.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Riastlin, post: 5608019, member: 94022"] Particularly with the CB and DDi, I prefer the updates. Simply put I think our options are going to be either a) few options and little to no updates or b) more options but with more frequent updates. As it stands now, I think that there are a little over 9,000 items in the Compendium. Even accounting for the 6 tiers of magic items, you still get over 1,500 unique items before feats, class abilities, powers, etc. are taken into account. Even with more thorough playtesting, there's just no way to adequately test every option and have it "perfect" out of the box. Honestly, to do so would require combining every item with every possible party makeup including every possible feat, power, item selection, etc. As a result, broken combos are going to find their way into the game no matter how much they try to playtest. I won't argue with you on the skill challenges, but your comments about the expertise feats and the MM1 monsters actually contradict. If the math were "broken" then the monsters would be overpowered. If the monsters were sub par, then the math was fine (or too much in the players' favor). Now, the hit rates may not have been what was necessarily intended, or what people thought they should be, but strictly speaking, the expertise feats were not absolutely needed. As it stands now, it seems as though my players rarely miss during standard encounters. Fortunately, the monster upgrades have helped to off set this a bit. As it stands though, I still have most of my players at level 12 attacking with a +19 before flanking, combat advantage (yes I know it doesn't stack with flanking), power bonuses, etc. are accounted for. Considering how easy it is to get situational bonuses to the attack, it often gets to the point where they will almost never miss. Anyhoo, I personally like the fact that they continue to look at their product and update it as they go to try and keep it balanced. Will updates eliminate house rules? No, of course not. But I do think it limits the number of house rules. [/QUOTE]
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