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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 936849" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Bah... Toads are possibly the weakest creature in every book I have seen, with a base CR of 1/10, 1 hp and speed of 5ft.</p><p></p><p>Some familiars have some combat usefulness, at least at low levels, others make good scouts, others can fly. I think the only place a toad familiar could usefully hide is in his master's pocket. No way you can send him scouting or delivering a spell unless you have a very favorable situation and you can wait a couple of days for it to come back. If it doesn't get killed with a simple kick.</p><p></p><p>I think the original authors of the corebooks (by the way... how many of them are still involved with the revision?) knew well that a Toad had to give a good bonus in exchange for being otherwise useless.</p><p></p><p>It is possible that too many Wiz/Sor choose the Toad, but that's because it's the easiest choice: you don't need to know how to usefully use a familiar, because you don't really have it, so for a player inexperienced with familiar (and afraid of going too far in putting them to danger) could choose a Toad the first time, and leave something more difficult to handle for when he's more experienced. I had a few Wiz/Sor in my group played by inexperienced players and all of them didn't want a familiar exactly because the Xp loss risk scared them and I always told them to get a Toad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 936849, member: 1465"] Bah... Toads are possibly the weakest creature in every book I have seen, with a base CR of 1/10, 1 hp and speed of 5ft. Some familiars have some combat usefulness, at least at low levels, others make good scouts, others can fly. I think the only place a toad familiar could usefully hide is in his master's pocket. No way you can send him scouting or delivering a spell unless you have a very favorable situation and you can wait a couple of days for it to come back. If it doesn't get killed with a simple kick. I think the original authors of the corebooks (by the way... how many of them are still involved with the revision?) knew well that a Toad had to give a good bonus in exchange for being otherwise useless. It is possible that too many Wiz/Sor choose the Toad, but that's because it's the easiest choice: you don't need to know how to usefully use a familiar, because you don't really have it, so for a player inexperienced with familiar (and afraid of going too far in putting them to danger) could choose a Toad the first time, and leave something more difficult to handle for when he's more experienced. I had a few Wiz/Sor in my group played by inexperienced players and all of them didn't want a familiar exactly because the Xp loss risk scared them and I always told them to get a Toad. [/QUOTE]
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