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<blockquote data-quote="LiL KiNG" data-source="post: 5848328" data-attributes="member: 83799"><p>You're right, I did overlook that. That is outright BS. Why do Crusaders and Swordsages get access to this feat but Warblades do not?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Unless you're a Monk, I agree unarmed fighting is useless. My current Monk character though is destroying people while unarmed/unarmored (he <em>does </em>have the Feral template though to be honest - and will be taking the Beast Strike feat to combine claw/unarmed damage). Slashing Flurry does look awesome. Heavy, heavy feat requirements for it though - nearly necessitates multiclassing Fighter to get it.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Problem with dipping out of any levels of Warblade is losing the level 20 ability of having two stances running concurrently. While that ability is powerful, I don't like that it's a level 20 ability. Seems like it'd be great at 17-18 so you could get a couple levels of use out of it.</p><p>You're right again, the Crusader's stance progression is jacked too. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't actually run a ToB character yet, this is all prep work for it so I am still learning things as I read through it - I have yet to read every maneuver or stances full descriptive text. Iron Heart Surge is phenomenal. The WR Tactics is pretty damn good too, for an ally anyway. </p><p></p><p>Another problem with the Warblade is you only learn 13 maneuvers (without taking Martial Study) so if you want two level 9 strikes you need to focus 8 of your maneuvers learned on two disciplines, plus plan out your retraining maneuvers accordingly.</p><p>Right now I'm looking at Diamond Mind and Iron Heart at a minimum of 4 maneuvers each so I can get their 9th level strikes. Which leaves 3 open for WR (Tactics would take 2 maneuver slots up) or another discipline. I like a lot out of Stone Dragon but you get into that prereq stuff of having to know X amount of maneuvers from that discipline to get some of the better stuff, plus IL restrictions, so planning around that is tricky. But I will definitely be taking Martial Study after level 13 to pick up Shadow Blink.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LiL KiNG, post: 5848328, member: 83799"] You're right, I did overlook that. That is outright BS. Why do Crusaders and Swordsages get access to this feat but Warblades do not? Unless you're a Monk, I agree unarmed fighting is useless. My current Monk character though is destroying people while unarmed/unarmored (he [I]does [/I]have the Feral template though to be honest - and will be taking the Beast Strike feat to combine claw/unarmed damage). Slashing Flurry does look awesome. Heavy, heavy feat requirements for it though - nearly necessitates multiclassing Fighter to get it. Problem with dipping out of any levels of Warblade is losing the level 20 ability of having two stances running concurrently. While that ability is powerful, I don't like that it's a level 20 ability. Seems like it'd be great at 17-18 so you could get a couple levels of use out of it. You're right again, the Crusader's stance progression is jacked too. I haven't actually run a ToB character yet, this is all prep work for it so I am still learning things as I read through it - I have yet to read every maneuver or stances full descriptive text. Iron Heart Surge is phenomenal. The WR Tactics is pretty damn good too, for an ally anyway. Another problem with the Warblade is you only learn 13 maneuvers (without taking Martial Study) so if you want two level 9 strikes you need to focus 8 of your maneuvers learned on two disciplines, plus plan out your retraining maneuvers accordingly. Right now I'm looking at Diamond Mind and Iron Heart at a minimum of 4 maneuvers each so I can get their 9th level strikes. Which leaves 3 open for WR (Tactics would take 2 maneuver slots up) or another discipline. I like a lot out of Stone Dragon but you get into that prereq stuff of having to know X amount of maneuvers from that discipline to get some of the better stuff, plus IL restrictions, so planning around that is tricky. But I will definitely be taking Martial Study after level 13 to pick up Shadow Blink. [/QUOTE]
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