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<blockquote data-quote="nogray" data-source="post: 5848464" data-attributes="member: 28028"><p>My play experience with a warblade into 18th level leads me to disagree with the assessment that they got the short end. He's pretty awesome in just about every way. As to the questions, let's see.</p><p></p><p>1. While I don't disagree that the Bloodstorm Blade is shorted in not advancing maneuvers, that really says more negative about that prestige class, not the warblade parent class. The inclusion of the aptitude feature in the bloodstorm blade's set is important, though. It matters less for the second part (retraining your feats to work with any weapon) and more for the first part (allowing you to continue selecting fighter-only feats).</p><p></p><p>Looking at the feat weapon specialization, it requires 4th level fighter. A warblade 5/bloodstorm blade 1 also qualifies, though. Without the weapon aptitude feature specifically included in the bloodstorm blade, this would not be the case, as that character would only count as a third level fighter from his warblade levels. Similar cases for other feats with higher level requirements can be made, of course.</p><p></p><p>2. In my opinion, the extra readied maneuver swordsage feat and the extra granted maneuver crusader feat do entirely different things. The crusader feat isn't really an extra maneuver sort of feat. It allows them to cycle through their readied maneuvers more quickly (in three rounds instead of four), but they have the same number readied as without the feat. It essentially allows more flexibility of choice, not an extra maneuver.</p><p></p><p>The swordsage's feat is really an extra maneuver, but they seem to need it to make up for their terrible recharge mechanic. My warblade rocks pretty hard, dishing damage with maneuvers for a couple rounds then still attacking (just as strongly as a fighter would) on the round that I recharge. This is only slightly less maneuver usage than the crusader in the party, who always has a maneuver to use. Even without the extra granted maneuver feat, though, she would still have a maneuver to use every single round.</p><p></p><p>3. The others have already mentioned slashing flurry. Personally, I didn't take it, though I was tempted. I'm not aware of much else that allows for the extra attack, though.</p><p></p><p>As to the rest, I'm with you on the lack of enjoyment with that 4th level stance, but I just went with it. Stances are your friends with respect to qualifying for higher level maneuvers, so you might look at it that way -- an investment in qualifying for those higher level maneuvers. The one houserule that my DM did give me was expanding the list of bonus feats that warblades get to include martial study and martial stance. That was an awesomely generous move on his part.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="nogray, post: 5848464, member: 28028"] My play experience with a warblade into 18th level leads me to disagree with the assessment that they got the short end. He's pretty awesome in just about every way. As to the questions, let's see. 1. While I don't disagree that the Bloodstorm Blade is shorted in not advancing maneuvers, that really says more negative about that prestige class, not the warblade parent class. The inclusion of the aptitude feature in the bloodstorm blade's set is important, though. It matters less for the second part (retraining your feats to work with any weapon) and more for the first part (allowing you to continue selecting fighter-only feats). Looking at the feat weapon specialization, it requires 4th level fighter. A warblade 5/bloodstorm blade 1 also qualifies, though. Without the weapon aptitude feature specifically included in the bloodstorm blade, this would not be the case, as that character would only count as a third level fighter from his warblade levels. Similar cases for other feats with higher level requirements can be made, of course. 2. In my opinion, the extra readied maneuver swordsage feat and the extra granted maneuver crusader feat do entirely different things. The crusader feat isn't really an extra maneuver sort of feat. It allows them to cycle through their readied maneuvers more quickly (in three rounds instead of four), but they have the same number readied as without the feat. It essentially allows more flexibility of choice, not an extra maneuver. The swordsage's feat is really an extra maneuver, but they seem to need it to make up for their terrible recharge mechanic. My warblade rocks pretty hard, dishing damage with maneuvers for a couple rounds then still attacking (just as strongly as a fighter would) on the round that I recharge. This is only slightly less maneuver usage than the crusader in the party, who always has a maneuver to use. Even without the extra granted maneuver feat, though, she would still have a maneuver to use every single round. 3. The others have already mentioned slashing flurry. Personally, I didn't take it, though I was tempted. I'm not aware of much else that allows for the extra attack, though. As to the rest, I'm with you on the lack of enjoyment with that 4th level stance, but I just went with it. Stances are your friends with respect to qualifying for higher level maneuvers, so you might look at it that way -- an investment in qualifying for those higher level maneuvers. The one houserule that my DM did give me was expanding the list of bonus feats that warblades get to include martial study and martial stance. That was an awesomely generous move on his part. [/QUOTE]
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