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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5848595" data-attributes="member: 35909"><p>I agree w/ the poster who said Warblades rock. All in all, Crusader is probably the most powerful of the 3 classes, but WB is close and way more fun (for me). All of these "shaftings" are pretty minor.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The cust. serv. Q&A for Tome of Battle stated that meeting pre-reqs only matters when acquiring a maneuver; afterwards you can undercut your "base" of maneuvers used to qualify if you wish by swapping them out with no ill effect. I'm not a fan of that ruling, but WB certainly benefits from the help with the paltry amount of maneuvers known vs. # of disciplines.</p><p></p><p>Yes, stances count as maneuvers for the "must know X # of maneuvers" requirements. Almost all my warblades take Leading the Charge stance to qualify for WR Tactics and/or Battle Leader's Charge w/o having to learn any of those other yucky 1st and 2nd level WR maneuvers (seriously, they're pretty bad). *thumbs up*</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for the Barb dip; I commonly utilize it for pounce since again, the stance issue makes dipping out appealing anyway. It's no cheesier than any other method of dipping Barb for pounce, and if you feel dirty about it, just remind yourself the druid can wildshape and pounce all day long AND still cast 9th level spells. I find it makes me feel far less badly about it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Don't even waste feats on extra/extend rage. Buy a wand of Blood Frenzy (SpC; 2nd level druid spell) and give it to the party Druid / dude who can use magic devices.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Also notice the stone dragon 9th level maneuver, Mountain Tombstone Strike. Requires NO maneuvers known in order to learn. So any Warblade, given that, should be easily able to learn at least 3 9th level maneuvers if he spreads his maneuvers known out enough, probably 4, even. And without needing to take Martial Study. 13 maneuvers + 4 stances is 17 total. -1 to spend on MTS, I'm quite sure between 16 other maneuvers and stances you could squeeze in 9th level maneuvers of 3 other disciplines and their pre-reqs if you wished to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5848595, member: 35909"] I agree w/ the poster who said Warblades rock. All in all, Crusader is probably the most powerful of the 3 classes, but WB is close and way more fun (for me). All of these "shaftings" are pretty minor. The cust. serv. Q&A for Tome of Battle stated that meeting pre-reqs only matters when acquiring a maneuver; afterwards you can undercut your "base" of maneuvers used to qualify if you wish by swapping them out with no ill effect. I'm not a fan of that ruling, but WB certainly benefits from the help with the paltry amount of maneuvers known vs. # of disciplines. Yes, stances count as maneuvers for the "must know X # of maneuvers" requirements. Almost all my warblades take Leading the Charge stance to qualify for WR Tactics and/or Battle Leader's Charge w/o having to learn any of those other yucky 1st and 2nd level WR maneuvers (seriously, they're pretty bad). *thumbs up* As for the Barb dip; I commonly utilize it for pounce since again, the stance issue makes dipping out appealing anyway. It's no cheesier than any other method of dipping Barb for pounce, and if you feel dirty about it, just remind yourself the druid can wildshape and pounce all day long AND still cast 9th level spells. I find it makes me feel far less badly about it. :) Don't even waste feats on extra/extend rage. Buy a wand of Blood Frenzy (SpC; 2nd level druid spell) and give it to the party Druid / dude who can use magic devices. EDIT: Also notice the stone dragon 9th level maneuver, Mountain Tombstone Strike. Requires NO maneuvers known in order to learn. So any Warblade, given that, should be easily able to learn at least 3 9th level maneuvers if he spreads his maneuvers known out enough, probably 4, even. And without needing to take Martial Study. 13 maneuvers + 4 stances is 17 total. -1 to spend on MTS, I'm quite sure between 16 other maneuvers and stances you could squeeze in 9th level maneuvers of 3 other disciplines and their pre-reqs if you wished to. [/QUOTE]
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