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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 9580439" data-attributes="member: 85555">Keep in mind I really did like Starship Troopers and am not trying to attack it or Heinlein. I don't think Starship Troopers was fascist (the movie used the book to parody fascism) but I think its overall tone was just more pro-military and pro-war. It has been a number of years since I read it, so possible I am forgetting something about it. But that is my memory at least. I do think he made a very compelling case for his position in Starship Troopers. I enjoyed his arguments, even where I might not have agreed with him. Also Heinlein doesn't fit neatly into political categories, but I do tend to think ST reflected a genuine militaristic worldview There is also nothing inherently contradictory about a fascist story or a militaristic one and a socialist or communist one (plenty of communist countries were militaristic and rules with an iron fist). That all said, I agree, he was telling good stories which is what matters in the end. Just like Arthur C Clarke, Haldeman, Herbert, and Asimov were all telling good stories. And I do think it is easy to be overly simplistic when talking about the message of his stories. I found ST militaristic, but there is also a lot more going on in it than that alone. This was one of the compelling points. And again, I don't necessarily disagree with where ehe seemed to be pointing, but I also do agree with you, it felt like a question in that as a reader I felt like I was engaging with him, not being lectured to by him.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 9580439, member: 85555"] Keep in mind I really did like Starship Troopers and am not trying to attack it or Heinlein. I don't think Starship Troopers was fascist (the movie used the book to parody fascism) but I think its overall tone was just more pro-military and pro-war. It has been a number of years since I read it, so possible I am forgetting something about it. But that is my memory at least. I do think he made a very compelling case for his position in Starship Troopers. I enjoyed his arguments, even where I might not have agreed with him. Also Heinlein doesn't fit neatly into political categories, but I do tend to think ST reflected a genuine militaristic worldview There is also nothing inherently contradictory about a fascist story or a militaristic one and a socialist or communist one (plenty of communist countries were militaristic and rules with an iron fist). That all said, I agree, he was telling good stories which is what matters in the end. Just like Arthur C Clarke, Haldeman, Herbert, and Asimov were all telling good stories. And I do think it is easy to be overly simplistic when talking about the message of his stories. I found ST militaristic, but there is also a lot more going on in it than that alone. This was one of the compelling points. And again, I don't necessarily disagree with where ehe seemed to be pointing, but I also do agree with you, it felt like a question in that as a reader I felt like I was engaging with him, not being lectured to by him. [/QUOTE]

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