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<blockquote data-quote="Li Shenron" data-source="post: 2076435" data-attributes="member: 1465"><p>Some doubts of mine here:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Assuming he starts with Str 18 + 2 (HOrc) + 2 (level increase), where does he get the missing +6? I may be wrong but I only remember +4 items in the game, and they don't stack with Bull's Strength.</p><p></p><p>Six attacks? At level 10 the Monk has 2 attacks from BAB or 3 with Flurry. I don't know if it allowed by ToEE, but if he also use 2WF it could go up to 4 attacks, and 5 with Haste. Where's the sixth attack? If he uses a rod, he should not be able to flurry anyway.</p><p></p><p>+13 damage with Str 28 is only if you wield a weapon with 2 hands. He's using 2 weapons, so he should get +9 on his primary attacks and +4 on the secondary attack, but not +13 to each attack.</p><p></p><p>He cannot power attack for +16. At level 10 he has BAB 7 so at best he could power attack for +7 (or with a +10 if he used a weapon with 2 hands, in which case no extra attack).</p><p></p><p>A +3 holy, flame, frost & axiomatic weapon is effectively a +9 weapon which costs 81000gp to make. While it may be possible to gather this amount in ToEE, it's still very huge, he must have sold a lot to raise it (and twice, for two weapons!). It also takes at least two casters with the IC feat to cast all the required spells.</p><p></p><p>That monk would have a bonus to hit of 7 (bab) + 9 (str) +3 (weapon) + 3 (spells) = +22. You can boost it more with other spells, and I don't remember which is Iuz's AC, but what I know is that in 4 battles I never managed to hit it once except with Fragarach (which just always hits, no matter the AC). Even at +22 I have serious doubts you can hit him often. Not to mention the extra -7 from power attack and -2 from TWF. The monk needs to deal about 300hp damage in "one round" to kill Iuz.</p><p></p><p>Lots of doubts here, you see my problems? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Probably it is theoretically possible, if one assumes you roll all natural 20s, and either near-to-max damage always or many criticals, but chances are IMHO very few to actually see this happen in practice. Better ask your friend if he hasn't cracked the game with some cheat code, just to be sure. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Maybe he just calculated that it was possible in theory...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Li Shenron, post: 2076435, member: 1465"] Some doubts of mine here: Assuming he starts with Str 18 + 2 (HOrc) + 2 (level increase), where does he get the missing +6? I may be wrong but I only remember +4 items in the game, and they don't stack with Bull's Strength. Six attacks? At level 10 the Monk has 2 attacks from BAB or 3 with Flurry. I don't know if it allowed by ToEE, but if he also use 2WF it could go up to 4 attacks, and 5 with Haste. Where's the sixth attack? If he uses a rod, he should not be able to flurry anyway. +13 damage with Str 28 is only if you wield a weapon with 2 hands. He's using 2 weapons, so he should get +9 on his primary attacks and +4 on the secondary attack, but not +13 to each attack. He cannot power attack for +16. At level 10 he has BAB 7 so at best he could power attack for +7 (or with a +10 if he used a weapon with 2 hands, in which case no extra attack). A +3 holy, flame, frost & axiomatic weapon is effectively a +9 weapon which costs 81000gp to make. While it may be possible to gather this amount in ToEE, it's still very huge, he must have sold a lot to raise it (and twice, for two weapons!). It also takes at least two casters with the IC feat to cast all the required spells. That monk would have a bonus to hit of 7 (bab) + 9 (str) +3 (weapon) + 3 (spells) = +22. You can boost it more with other spells, and I don't remember which is Iuz's AC, but what I know is that in 4 battles I never managed to hit it once except with Fragarach (which just always hits, no matter the AC). Even at +22 I have serious doubts you can hit him often. Not to mention the extra -7 from power attack and -2 from TWF. The monk needs to deal about 300hp damage in "one round" to kill Iuz. Lots of doubts here, you see my problems? :) Probably it is theoretically possible, if one assumes you roll all natural 20s, and either near-to-max damage always or many criticals, but chances are IMHO very few to actually see this happen in practice. Better ask your friend if he hasn't cracked the game with some cheat code, just to be sure. :) Maybe he just calculated that it was possible in theory... [/QUOTE]
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