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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 587018" data-attributes="member: 1757">Also, that bit about elves existing simultaneously on the material and shadow planes is patently untrue. At best, those elves who have dwelt in the light of Aman have power against both the Seen (those who inhabit the material world) and the Unseen (those who inhabit the shadow world). Your standard Avari (wood elf) has no such power.Gez: In general, The Hobbit isn't the best of sources to use when describing Tolkien elves; it's JRRT lite. I'd say that while there's a decent case to be made for the Avari being pretty close to D&D elves (and even then, the immortality and cold and disease resistances are a pretty big power-up from D&D elves), the Noldor and Sindar certainly aren't. JRRT elves aren't archangels, by any means; I'm surprised that most people don't get the obvious fact that Elrond, Galadriel, Fingolfin, and others might just be powerful because (in D&D terms) they have lots of character levels. However, Noldor/Sindar are equal or superior to Men (even First Age Edain) in every respect, which makes them NOT ECL +0 races. (Tolkien dwarves might be an ECL race too, for that matter.) Pelosan Emperor:My elves (an FR/JRRT mix):+2 Dexterity (wood elves); +2 Dexterity, +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma (grey elves); +2 Dexterity, -2 Constitution, +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, +2 Charisma (high elves)Medium sizeElven base speed is 30 feetImmunity to magic sleep spells and effects. +2 racial saving throw bonus against Enchantment spells or effects.Cold resistance 5. Immune to mundane and magical disease and scarring.Low-light vision: Elves can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. They retain the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions. +2 racial bonus on Listen, Perform, Search, Spot, and Wilderness Lore checks (wood); Craft (shipwright), Listen, Perform, Profession (sailor), Search, and Spot checks (moon); and Craft (any), Listen, Perform, Search, and Spot checks (high). An elf who merely passes within 5 feet of a secret or concealed door is entitled to a Search check to notice it as if she were actively looking for the door. Elves are immortal.  They do not suffer penalties for aging, and eventually choose to depart for Arvandor instead of dying as other races.  However, elves cannot be raised or resurrected, except by a wish or miracle spell.ECL +1 (wood); +2 (grey, high):  Elves are treated as though one level (or two levels) higher for purposes of gaining experience.Note that I do think that my high elves are balanced, mainly because an ECL +2 race with a Con penalty is incredibly sucky and undesirable to play. It does mean that NPC high elf wizards are pretty deadly, but PC high elves in general are likely to be few and far between.</blockquote>

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