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<blockquote data-quote="thormagni" data-source="post: 2648999" data-attributes="member: 13637"><p>Of course, the flip side is that even a high level player can be killed by a low-level thug. So, when your carefully crafted, lovingly played PC gets taken out by some nobody pickpocket in a dark alley, you are just as screwed as the high-level guy we killed in the bar...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I would argue that we are missing a very critical piece of the puzzle, which is usually glossed over in the standard fantasy RPG -- devotion or piousness. This is my personal aggravation with religion in RPGs. Generally, a player cleric is basically a fighter with spells. They make little effort to make converts, to preach the gospel or to honor their diety. Instead they cast spells and swing a warhammer and say they sleep 8 hours a night to gain back their spells.</p><p></p><p>Why wouldn't people just join a temple to get a level of cleric? Because being a cleric is more than just joining a temple. It is an absolute devotion to a god and the god's goals. It is making concrete sacrifices and wearing clothing you don't want to and performing rituals you don't want to perform. It is about being a counselor and an emissary. Many people join a church but very few of them are ministers. </p><p></p><p>Think about your average minister. Think about how that minister interacts with people. What is his primary concern in life? God. Bringing people to god. Preaching god's will. Interpreting god's will and applying it to the situation at hand. How much of that does a typical PC cleric do? None. They have high wisdom and never use it for wise counsel. Nobody turns to the cleric and seeks guidance. Nobody converts to the cleric's religion in the party, ever. No PC cleric ever spends their money tithing it to the church, or doing service to the church.</p><p></p><p>In my opinion, if PC and NPC clerics actually ACTED like clerics, there wouldn't be a problem with giving them divine powers. They would have earned it, by their sacrifices. Sacrifices that others are not willing to make.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thormagni, post: 2648999, member: 13637"] Of course, the flip side is that even a high level player can be killed by a low-level thug. So, when your carefully crafted, lovingly played PC gets taken out by some nobody pickpocket in a dark alley, you are just as screwed as the high-level guy we killed in the bar... Well, I would argue that we are missing a very critical piece of the puzzle, which is usually glossed over in the standard fantasy RPG -- devotion or piousness. This is my personal aggravation with religion in RPGs. Generally, a player cleric is basically a fighter with spells. They make little effort to make converts, to preach the gospel or to honor their diety. Instead they cast spells and swing a warhammer and say they sleep 8 hours a night to gain back their spells. Why wouldn't people just join a temple to get a level of cleric? Because being a cleric is more than just joining a temple. It is an absolute devotion to a god and the god's goals. It is making concrete sacrifices and wearing clothing you don't want to and performing rituals you don't want to perform. It is about being a counselor and an emissary. Many people join a church but very few of them are ministers. Think about your average minister. Think about how that minister interacts with people. What is his primary concern in life? God. Bringing people to god. Preaching god's will. Interpreting god's will and applying it to the situation at hand. How much of that does a typical PC cleric do? None. They have high wisdom and never use it for wise counsel. Nobody turns to the cleric and seeks guidance. Nobody converts to the cleric's religion in the party, ever. No PC cleric ever spends their money tithing it to the church, or doing service to the church. In my opinion, if PC and NPC clerics actually ACTED like clerics, there wouldn't be a problem with giving them divine powers. They would have earned it, by their sacrifices. Sacrifices that others are not willing to make. [/QUOTE]
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