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<blockquote data-quote="tomBitonti" data-source="post: 6162802" data-attributes="member: 13107"><p>I'm trying to quantify the ineffectiveness. A process can be ineffective, but yield a positive value. The effectiveness must be measured against the value of the scarce successes against the cost of the failures.</p><p></p><p>In this space, there seems to be a question of reasonableness. The US justice system is deliberately imperfect, with a goal of "to be efficient, effective, and fair", with some (perhaps a lot) of dispute over what that means. (e.g., see <a href="https://www.bja.gov/evaluation/guide/documents/documentI.html" target="_blank">https://www.bja.gov/evaluation/guide/documents/documentI.html</a>).</p><p></p><p>The curious matter (to me) is that we have had 2/3 of our government basically approve of the process. The courts seem to have tried to avoid the issue for now. (I wonder if they will be able to, still.) We can argue of how representative those 2/3 actually are, but their approval provide a large part of the functional definition of what is considered "reasonable". (Not that I agree. I'm stating what I see as how the US decided what is the right "reasonable" balance of liberty vs monitoring.)</p><p></p><p>In this space, this statistic seems relevant:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.prb.org/articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.prb.org/articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>150,000 new incarcerations is about a 10% increase in the number of prisoners. *If* we accept that many incarcerations as acceptable, the 10% increase is a small increase. (I think that the correct conclusion is that 1.6 million prisoners is horribly high.)</p><p></p><p>Thx!</p><p></p><p>TomB</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tomBitonti, post: 6162802, member: 13107"] I'm trying to quantify the ineffectiveness. A process can be ineffective, but yield a positive value. The effectiveness must be measured against the value of the scarce successes against the cost of the failures. In this space, there seems to be a question of reasonableness. The US justice system is deliberately imperfect, with a goal of "to be efficient, effective, and fair", with some (perhaps a lot) of dispute over what that means. (e.g., see [url]https://www.bja.gov/evaluation/guide/documents/documentI.html[/url]). The curious matter (to me) is that we have had 2/3 of our government basically approve of the process. The courts seem to have tried to avoid the issue for now. (I wonder if they will be able to, still.) We can argue of how representative those 2/3 actually are, but their approval provide a large part of the functional definition of what is considered "reasonable". (Not that I agree. I'm stating what I see as how the US decided what is the right "reasonable" balance of liberty vs monitoring.) In this space, this statistic seems relevant: [url]http://www.prb.org/articles/2012/us-incarceration.aspx[/url] 150,000 new incarcerations is about a 10% increase in the number of prisoners. *If* we accept that many incarcerations as acceptable, the 10% increase is a small increase. (I think that the correct conclusion is that 1.6 million prisoners is horribly high.) Thx! TomB [/QUOTE]
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