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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ColonelHardisson" data-source="post: 5290812" data-attributes="member: 363">No, they didn't. The elves that stayed in Aman were the Vanyar. The Vanyar were the elves who traveled to Aman right away, with no hesitation, and were descended from the first elf to awaken. They also were the smallest in number, but the greatest in power. They stayed closer to the Valar and Maiar than other elves. They only left Valinor once, to fight in the War of Wrath, and then returned. Galadriel's grandmother was a Vanya, so she (Galadriel) would be the closest thing to a Vanya living in Middle-earth, at least in the Third Age. I liked what 4e did with elves, splitting them into two kinds - elf and eladrin.The 4e elf would be a good model for the Nandor elves, those elves who never started the journey to Aman or turned from it, and from whom the Silvan elves of Mirkwood are descended. I don't see any reason to modify them, unless you want to make them immortal unless killed, immune to diseases and scarring, and unaffected by fear effects caused by undead (all of which seemed to be true for all of Tolkien's elves, or at least it's assumed so).I've thought about this for a while, and my own personal taste runs like this: I'm inclined to think the 4e elf works well for Sindar elves, the ones who never went to Valinor, but started the journey and intended to go at first. Legolas (and his father, Thranduil, the elf-king of Mirkwood) was a Sinda. Still, Tolkien portrays the Sindar as more learned and powerful than the Silvan/Nandor elves, so I'd give them a bump to INT or (preferably, in my opinion) a couple more skill points. They are also accounted the best singers in Middle-earth, so perhaps giving them a Bard power like Words of Friendship would be appropriate.The eladrin make good Noldor, in my opinion. I also can't find fault with the 4e half elf being used for the Peredhil, or half-elves of Tolkien. The Istari and Maiar are tricky, I think. The Istari were Maiar clothed in the flesh of Men, which blurred their spiritual vision - it's why Saruman could be corrupted by the lure of the One Ring, while Tom Bombadil was unaffected. I'm inclined to think of the Istari as being a type of deva, while the unfettered Maiar would be angels. Gandalf strikes me as being an invoker (and the designers said as much about how they went about designing the class), though this seems more appropriate for Gandalf the White. Gandalf the Grey seems more like a wizard to me.Those are my thoughts, for what they're worth.</blockquote>

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