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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8685970" data-attributes="member: 6787503">No, you are misinterpreting the meaning of notice. In context, it has the ordinary, everyday, natural language meaning of "become aware of" found in most dictionaries. This is by sight, hearing, smell, or by any other means, but the important thing is that awareness must be gained thereby for you to have noticed anything. The threat, in this scenario, is a mimic. By seeing the "chest", did the party become aware of a mimic? No, not before it sprouted pseudopods and attacked them!Look at the ranger's 10th-level ability, Hide in Plain Sight. It allows the ranger to try to hide by pressing themselves up against a solid surface while wearing camouflage. An observer can look right at the exact portion of the surface the ranger is pressing themselves up against and see the camouflage worn by the ranger that looks like part of the surface, but as long as the ranger doesn't move or take actions, and as long as the ranger's Stealth check is successful, the observer is totally unaware of and does not notice the ranger.I'm not sure what your point is. I said the cleric was targeting the mimic. You said the spell isn't "targeted". I said it is because it targets a creature. Now you're saying it can target anything. So?Initiative is being rolled in any case because the cleric's player decided the cleric wants to attack.Surprise has nothing to do with belief. It has to do with awareness, which is knowledge or perception of something, not belief. The cleric doesn't know there's a mimic. The cleric hasn't perceived the mimic. The cleric might believe there's a mimic in the room, but that's irrelevant for the purpose of determining surprise.Of course all kinds of circumstances that aren't part of the scenario described in the OP would change the outcome of the encounter.</blockquote>

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