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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8687796" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>But if it makes the save, how do they know? Perhaps the spell failed to do anything because it <em>is</em> a chest?</p><p></p><p>Let me put it this way:</p><p></p><p><strong>Player</strong>: <em>I cast <em>toll the dead</em> on the chest in case it is a mimic.</em></p><p><strong>DM</strong>: (<strong>rolls d20 behind screen</strong>) Nothing happens.</p><p><strong>Player</strong>: <em>AHA! He rolled a save, it is a creature! We attack!!!</em></p><p></p><p><strong>OR</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Player</strong>: <em>I cast <em>toll the dead</em> on the chest in case it is a mimic.</em></p><p><strong>DM</strong>: Nothing happens.</p><p><strong>Player</strong>: <em>Guess it is just a chest and my spell didn't work on it.</em></p><p></p><p>Does the die roll indicate something is going on to the <em>character</em>? Of course not.</p><p></p><p>OF COURSE... here's the thing: toll the dead is a cantrip. The PC can cast it 5 or 6 times if they want. If the mimic makes all those saves... well, they think it's a chest. If it is a chest, the spell never has any affect on it and, well, they <em>still</em> think it's a chest. But, if it fails a save, now it takes damage and reacts visibly to being "injured" and they will likely know its a mimic...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8687796, member: 6987520"] But if it makes the save, how do they know? Perhaps the spell failed to do anything because it [I]is[/I] a chest? Let me put it this way: [B]Player[/B]: [I]I cast [I]toll the dead[/I] on the chest in case it is a mimic.[/I] [B]DM[/B]: ([B]rolls d20 behind screen[/B]) Nothing happens. [B]Player[/B]: [I]AHA! He rolled a save, it is a creature! We attack!!![/I] [B]OR Player[/B]: [I]I cast [I]toll the dead[/I] on the chest in case it is a mimic.[/I] [B]DM[/B]: Nothing happens. [B]Player[/B]: [I]Guess it is just a chest and my spell didn't work on it.[/I] Does the die roll indicate something is going on to the [I]character[/I]? Of course not. OF COURSE... here's the thing: toll the dead is a cantrip. The PC can cast it 5 or 6 times if they want. If the mimic makes all those saves... well, they think it's a chest. If it is a chest, the spell never has any affect on it and, well, they [I]still[/I] think it's a chest. But, if it fails a save, now it takes damage and reacts visibly to being "injured" and they will likely know its a mimic... [/QUOTE]
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