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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8689473" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>Huh? I think you're making a big deal out of nothing here. <em>Threat</em> just has its natural language meaning. I.e. a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger. For the purpose of determining surprise, a threat is any creature who participates in the first round of a combat encounter on the opposing side from the creature who might be surprised. There's no "Schrodinger" about it. The Sage Advice Compendium you quoted refers to the same concept with the words <em>foes </em>and <em>enemies. </em></p><p></p><p></p><p>So like I said, not perfect, but keep in mind it's only a CR 2 creature. Also, I think its chances are a little better than you state. That character has a passive Perception of 13 which means the mimic only needs to roll an 8 to successfully hide. That's a 65% chance against a PC who's proficient in Perception after all and at least has an average Wisdom for a PC.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It says "nearly", so again, not perfect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Only while it remains motionless, otherwise it can be distinguished, so not perfect.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Not at all. I haven't added anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course not. As always, it's the DM's decision whether to call for an ability check. You're free to decide there's no uncertainty about whether the mimic succeeds in its attempt to remain motionless and just say it succeeds or fails at your discretion, no check required. I prefer to go with uncertainty because it gives the players a chance to notice the mimic is not what it appears to be.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so if the mimic isn't being stealthy, why doesn't it make noise that would give away its position as a creature?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, but you're still wrong about being on guard not depending on whether you notice something.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 8689473, member: 6787503"] Huh? I think you're making a big deal out of nothing here. [I]Threat[/I] just has its natural language meaning. I.e. a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger. For the purpose of determining surprise, a threat is any creature who participates in the first round of a combat encounter on the opposing side from the creature who might be surprised. There's no "Schrodinger" about it. The Sage Advice Compendium you quoted refers to the same concept with the words [I]foes [/I]and [I]enemies. [/I] So like I said, not perfect, but keep in mind it's only a CR 2 creature. Also, I think its chances are a little better than you state. That character has a passive Perception of 13 which means the mimic only needs to roll an 8 to successfully hide. That's a 65% chance against a PC who's proficient in Perception after all and at least has an average Wisdom for a PC. It says "nearly", so again, not perfect. Only while it remains motionless, otherwise it can be distinguished, so not perfect. Not at all. I haven't added anything. Of course not. As always, it's the DM's decision whether to call for an ability check. You're free to decide there's no uncertainty about whether the mimic succeeds in its attempt to remain motionless and just say it succeeds or fails at your discretion, no check required. I prefer to go with uncertainty because it gives the players a chance to notice the mimic is not what it appears to be. Okay, so if the mimic isn't being stealthy, why doesn't it make noise that would give away its position as a creature? Okay, but you're still wrong about being on guard not depending on whether you notice something. [/QUOTE]
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