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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8689502" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>How does a troll just walking by meet the definition of "a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger."? It doesn't. Just because you fear it or feel like it's a threat, doesn't make it one. Until the party starting insulting it, it wasn't a threat. Then it attacked and became one.</p><p></p><p>RAW requires that "notice threat" = "notice potential threat" or the surprise rules break down.</p><p></p><p>They are looking at it suspiciously. That's active, not passive perception. Passive is for when you aren't paying attention and might just happen to get lucky as you pass something. Also, if that cleric is proficient in perception, his passive is very likely 15 or 16. People seem to feel the need to start with a 16 or 18 in their primary stat.</p><p></p><p>That "nearly" is contradictory to the perfect ability in the mechanics. It's an instance where the lore and mechanics don't mesh, but in the lesser case it is nearly perfect, which +5 very much fails to accomplish. If a 2nd level cleric can detect it half or more of the time, the mechanic has failed to come close to the lore.</p><p></p><p>Then you can show me where in the ability it explicitly requires a stealth check. Please quote it, because I have not been able to find it.</p><p></p><p>My way matches RAW and lore. Your way trivializes both the mimic's ability and the lore to the point where neither one is remotely close to being true.</p><p></p><p>Why doesn't a rock make noise as it sits on the ground? Is it trying to be stealthy, too? The mimic is sitting there not moving, so like a rock it doesn't make noise by default.</p><p></p><p><strong>The cleric noticed the chest and was on guard for it to do literally anything. </strong> Being a mimic doesn't change that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8689502, member: 23751"] How does a troll just walking by meet the definition of "a person or thing likely to cause damage or danger."? It doesn't. Just because you fear it or feel like it's a threat, doesn't make it one. Until the party starting insulting it, it wasn't a threat. Then it attacked and became one. RAW requires that "notice threat" = "notice potential threat" or the surprise rules break down. They are looking at it suspiciously. That's active, not passive perception. Passive is for when you aren't paying attention and might just happen to get lucky as you pass something. Also, if that cleric is proficient in perception, his passive is very likely 15 or 16. People seem to feel the need to start with a 16 or 18 in their primary stat. That "nearly" is contradictory to the perfect ability in the mechanics. It's an instance where the lore and mechanics don't mesh, but in the lesser case it is nearly perfect, which +5 very much fails to accomplish. If a 2nd level cleric can detect it half or more of the time, the mechanic has failed to come close to the lore. Then you can show me where in the ability it explicitly requires a stealth check. Please quote it, because I have not been able to find it. My way matches RAW and lore. Your way trivializes both the mimic's ability and the lore to the point where neither one is remotely close to being true. Why doesn't a rock make noise as it sits on the ground? Is it trying to be stealthy, too? The mimic is sitting there not moving, so like a rock it doesn't make noise by default. [B]The cleric noticed the chest and was on guard for it to do literally anything. [/B] Being a mimic doesn't change that. [/QUOTE]
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