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<blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 8692176" data-attributes="member: 6787503"><p>No, that isn't at all what happens if you run surprise like I do. I've already told you what happens many times, exhaustively and in detail, so at this point I can only assume you're arguing in bad faith.</p><p></p><p>And no, the surprise rules function just fine without defining <em>threat</em> that way. It's not a term of game jargon and, in the context of the surprise rules, should be understood to refer to a creature that participates in combat on the opposite side from the creature for whom surprise is being determined. </p><p></p><p></p><p>This implies the wall is not a threat even though the player expects it to be one?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, so you're fixing the problem caused by your "potential threat" houserule by having another houserule. </p><p></p><p></p><p><em>Something</em> does not mean <em>everything.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yeah, this "potential threat rule" you've identified here. That's what's not in the rules. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I haven't added any such requirement, and I've been explicit about that more than once in this thread. Awareness of the presence of a creature is sufficient.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's true of any creature that manages to surprise the party. False Appearance just allows the mimic an additional circumstance where it can try to do that. This is backed up by the fact that the feature doesn't affect the mimic's CR.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hriston, post: 8692176, member: 6787503"] No, that isn't at all what happens if you run surprise like I do. I've already told you what happens many times, exhaustively and in detail, so at this point I can only assume you're arguing in bad faith. And no, the surprise rules function just fine without defining [I]threat[/I] that way. It's not a term of game jargon and, in the context of the surprise rules, should be understood to refer to a creature that participates in combat on the opposite side from the creature for whom surprise is being determined. This implies the wall is not a threat even though the player expects it to be one? Okay, so you're fixing the problem caused by your "potential threat" houserule by having another houserule. [I]Something[/I] does not mean [I]everything.[/I] Yeah, this "potential threat rule" you've identified here. That's what's not in the rules. I haven't added any such requirement, and I've been explicit about that more than once in this thread. Awareness of the presence of a creature is sufficient. That's true of any creature that manages to surprise the party. False Appearance just allows the mimic an additional circumstance where it can try to do that. This is backed up by the fact that the feature doesn't affect the mimic's CR. [/QUOTE]
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