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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dropbear8mybaby" data-source="post: 7724845" data-attributes="member: 6863518">Firstly, it's a base Intelligence check. Few characters have reason to have a high Int score. So for a lot of groups, that's going to be a flat 50% chance of success on the roll. A 50% chance to damage your vessel isn't insignificant. And who's going to fix that damage? The characters sail into the port and then have to deal with pirates who, depending on the PC's level, could easily overwhelm the party. Even a mid-high level party might struggle against so many opponents. But even if they beat the pirates, is anyone proficient to fix the vessel? Do all of the pirates die or do some escape? Do they know how to repair it?And then you have to go through the rocks again to get out, risking damaging your vessel again. Three strikes and you sink.As for knowing they're there or not, it doesn't say which is a bit annoying. However, if you know anything about sailing then you'll know that any seasoned sailor, i.e. someone with vehicles (water) proficiency or the sailor background, would be able to see the differences in currents and waves to know that there was low water and either a sandbar or rocks close to the surface. You could have them do a proficiency check in that case, probably Wisdom (Vehicles (Water)).</blockquote>