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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5579817" data-attributes="member: 42582">My take might be slightly different - many contemporary players (perhaps most) don't come to a fantasy adventure RPG hoping to solve a puzzle and then easily walk through the scenario. I quite like solving cryptic crosswords, although am not especially good at them - but they're not what I come to D&amp;D to do!Experience in not what is relevant here - training in a very specific mode of classic D&amp;D play is what is required.Why would the best players [sblock]stick three swords simultaneously in the slots? What if the party has only two fighters and a scimitar-wielding druid? Does this make them bad players?[/sblock] I think this gets close to dumb luck even for players who are trained in the very specific form of D&amp;D play to which the ToH caters.The good old 15-minute adventuring day! Back in the first (? - certainly an early) module published by TSR!I guess this shows that it is not just an artefact of contemporary RPGing.And we also have flight as the solution to the dungeon. Which combines well with the 15-minute day, assuming that the supply of fly spells is limited.I agree with this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5579817, member: 42582"] My take might be slightly different - many contemporary players (perhaps most) don't come to a fantasy adventure RPG hoping to solve a puzzle and then easily walk through the scenario. I quite like solving cryptic crosswords, although am not especially good at them - but they're not what I come to D&D to do! Experience in not what is relevant here - training in a very specific mode of classic D&D play is what is required. Why would the best players [sblock]stick three swords simultaneously in the slots? What if the party has only two fighters and a scimitar-wielding druid? Does this make them bad players?[/sblock] I think this gets close to dumb luck even [I]for[/I] players who are trained in the very specific form of D&D play to which the ToH caters. The good old 15-minute adventuring day! Back in the first (? - certainly an early) module published by TSR! I guess this shows that it is not just an artefact of contemporary RPGing. And we also have flight as the solution to the dungeon. Which combines well with the 15-minute day, assuming that the supply of fly spells is limited. I agree with this. [/QUOTE]

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