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<blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 3248482" data-attributes="member: 29014">Since most of the White Raven things are designed for groups, it isn't broken alone, honestly (the one-on-one playtests were less enlightening to me than the group ones, but I wanted to see just for fun).&nbsp; However, in an actual game, its going to be in a group, in which case tactics and Warmaster's Charge are both insane.&nbsp; Admittedly, Warmaster's Charge is a 9th-level manoeuvre, but it is substantially more powerful than any 9th-level spell, and even moreso if you take the Leadership feat and bring along random flunkies.&nbsp; Warmaster's Charge with enough people is an automatic hit (and even with eight people, if it doesn't hit, you weren't going to have a dream of hitting that guy on a normal attack) for everyone who charges for insane amounts of damage that also stuns the enemy for one round and lets you pound on them.&nbsp; What's worse, since it is an immediate action for everyone except the Warblade, this means that you also have to deal with two full attacks made against the stunned target by all the people who just charged (and one full attack from the Warblade) before the stunned guy can go.&nbsp; A Great Wyrm Red Dragon can only count its blessings that it is immune to stunning, since this manoeuvre is likely to put it on death's door (particularly if the people in the group with good attack bonuses, like the Warblade, turn that to-hit bonus into Power Attack boosts on top of the +50/+25).&nbsp; I'm not one of the guys who's out shouting about Inferno Blast either.&nbsp; Yeah, it's 100 damage and that's more than a Meteor Swarm, but it's a fair manoeuvre.&nbsp; Warmaster's Charge is not.So remove those two and White Raven is fine--I even offered that (although normally Swordsages can't pick White Raven without a feat, I know), but nobody wanted to play a one-school Swordsage that could never get a 9th-level manoeuvre, and I don't blame them.&nbsp; Maybe I'll come up with a nerfed version of Warmaster's Charge eventually.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Rystil Arden, post: 3248482, member: 29014"] Since most of the White Raven things are designed for groups, it isn't broken alone, honestly (the one-on-one playtests were less enlightening to me than the group ones, but I wanted to see just for fun). However, in an actual game, its going to be in a group, in which case tactics and Warmaster's Charge are both insane. Admittedly, Warmaster's Charge is a 9th-level manoeuvre, but it is substantially more powerful than any 9th-level spell, and even moreso if you take the Leadership feat and bring along random flunkies. Warmaster's Charge with enough people is an automatic hit (and even with eight people, if it doesn't hit, you weren't going to have a dream of hitting that guy on a normal attack) for everyone who charges for insane amounts of damage that also stuns the enemy for one round and lets you pound on them. What's worse, since it is an immediate action for everyone except the Warblade, this means that you also have to deal with two full attacks made against the stunned target by all the people who just charged (and one full attack from the Warblade) before the stunned guy can go. A Great Wyrm Red Dragon can only count its blessings that it is immune to stunning, since this manoeuvre is likely to put it on death's door (particularly if the people in the group with good attack bonuses, like the Warblade, turn that to-hit bonus into Power Attack boosts on top of the +50/+25). I'm not one of the guys who's out shouting about Inferno Blast either. Yeah, it's 100 damage and that's more than a Meteor Swarm, but it's a fair manoeuvre. Warmaster's Charge is not. So remove those two and White Raven is fine--I even offered that (although normally Swordsages can't pick White Raven without a feat, I know), but nobody wanted to play a one-school Swordsage that could never get a 9th-level manoeuvre, and I don't blame them. Maybe I'll come up with a nerfed version of Warmaster's Charge eventually. [/QUOTE]

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