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<blockquote data-quote="brehobit" data-source="post: 3256338" data-attributes="member: 12032">Yeah, but if the PHB II feats _really_ make feats &quot;all that&quot; then it's worth it.&nbsp; And you get the &quot;free&quot; heavy armor prof.&nbsp; It isn't like the warblade can't wear heavy armor without huge problems (like a monk or wizard or warmage), it's just that he lacks a prof.&nbsp; One level of fighter also gives the ranged weapon prof which is suppose to be a major bane of the warbladeGiven a human fighter with an int of 12 and con of 16 (pretty reasonable) you can get a will save 1/fight at +9.&nbsp; As a 9th level fighter maybe has a +4 to begin with, it's pretty darn nice.&nbsp; As nice as Iron will?&nbsp; I'd say not.&nbsp; But many many fighters blow a valuable feat on iron will, so getting this as &quot;one of a list of bonuses&quot; is pretty handy.&nbsp; Maybe.&nbsp; I find that my fighters tend to flank about half the time.&nbsp; Giving a +2 to damage (more as levels go up) to myself and my partner is pretty similar to weapon specialization (half the time, twice the people).&nbsp; Not bad.&nbsp; And a Fighter 10/WB1 is giving +3...Sure, but it's still half of a (fairly weak) feat.&nbsp; I'll take it.Not really.&nbsp; Say the initiative goes 12B34 where 1234 are the PCs and B is the one baddy.&nbsp; If you are number 2 you can move any of your buddies in front of the baddy.&nbsp; If that PC ends up being the one to kill the baddy he will prevent the baddy from taking one round of actions before it dies.&nbsp; That's huge.&nbsp; Of course, if you are &quot;3&quot; there is no one to help this significantly.&nbsp; Delays by others can achieve the same reordering.&nbsp; Put another way, it there wasn't any real bonus, having two folks doing it (very broken) wouldn't help...In summary,The fighter is giving up 1/2 a feat and 4 skill points.&nbsp; He gains:Give partner an extra action 1/fight (Usually)Give self and partner +2 damage if flanking+1 reflex saveCan have a &quot;9&quot; will save 1/fight+1 hit pointA &quot;9&quot; consentration (should it ever be useful).And that's just one build.&nbsp; There are better ones...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="brehobit, post: 3256338, member: 12032"] Yeah, but if the PHB II feats _really_ make feats "all that" then it's worth it. And you get the "free" heavy armor prof. It isn't like the warblade can't wear heavy armor without huge problems (like a monk or wizard or warmage), it's just that he lacks a prof. One level of fighter also gives the ranged weapon prof which is suppose to be a major bane of the warblade Given a human fighter with an int of 12 and con of 16 (pretty reasonable) you can get a will save 1/fight at +9. As a 9th level fighter maybe has a +4 to begin with, it's pretty darn nice. As nice as Iron will? I'd say not. But many many fighters blow a valuable feat on iron will, so getting this as "one of a list of bonuses" is pretty handy. Maybe. I find that my fighters tend to flank about half the time. Giving a +2 to damage (more as levels go up) to myself and my partner is pretty similar to weapon specialization (half the time, twice the people). Not bad. And a Fighter 10/WB1 is giving +3... Sure, but it's still half of a (fairly weak) feat. I'll take it. Not really. Say the initiative goes 12B34 where 1234 are the PCs and B is the one baddy. If you are number 2 you can move any of your buddies in front of the baddy. If that PC ends up being the one to kill the baddy he will prevent the baddy from taking one round of actions before it dies. That's huge. Of course, if you are "3" there is no one to help this significantly. Delays by others can achieve the same reordering. Put another way, it there wasn't any real bonus, having two folks doing it (very broken) wouldn't help... In summary, The fighter is giving up 1/2 a feat and 4 skill points. He gains: Give partner an extra action 1/fight (Usually) Give self and partner +2 damage if flanking +1 reflex save Can have a "9" will save 1/fight +1 hit point A "9" consentration (should it ever be useful). And that's just one build. There are better ones... [/QUOTE]

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