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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3673118" data-attributes="member: 6562">Hello!Yeah, I was focusing more on the mid game (level 6+) than the low game.The Warblade can indeed out-damage a Barbarian for a single round at levels 3 and 5, because the initiator just got a new level of maneuvers, and the Barbarian hasn't gotten his goody yet. (This is similar to how a Wizard owns a Sorcerer at most odd levels.)There's an interesting discussion (and spreadsheet) here which lays out a comparison for levels 1 through 7: <a href="http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12990532#post12990532" target="_blank">http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=12990532#post12990532</a>Interestingly, the maneuvers he chose do NOT include any from Stone Dragon, and I think I can explain why: you're assuming that the attack roll can't be optimized. The Barbarian certainly can choose to Power Attack for 2 in a way that emulates +2d6 damage, but that's not guaranteed to be the optimal strategy -- in fact, it's usually not optimal.Try multiplying the expected damage numbers you have against your probability to hit various ACs. I think you'll agree that the +2 to attack that the Barbarian gains from Rage is actually worth quite a lot! More than a fixed +4 damage. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />- - -However, I disagree that a Warblade can always recover every other round. He can't recover on the round after he's used a Counter, he can't recover and Charge in the same round, nor can he recover and double move.- - -Anyway. I'll concede that a Core-only Barbarian loses to a Warblade at levels 3 and 5 (10% of a regulation career). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Cheers, -- NPS: For DR, don't forget Fey and little Outsiders! Lantern Archons, Nixies & Grigs, Imps, Quasits.</blockquote>

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