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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3014935" data-attributes="member: 957">I agree completely.That is all fine, but none of it makes the WB balanced.How excatly is it that this creates balance?You can't take a single manuever out of context and declare the class using it balanced.I agree.  But there is no SR or saving throw here.  That is somewhat offset by the need to be in melee range.Again, I don't really have a problem with the balance of individual manuevers.  (with some exceptions, but hey, the same goes for spells and psi powers, so nothing new there)It is the overall package of the warblade class that is problematic.The +100 could be anti-fun.  Which was a concern I mentioned before.  That does not make it broken.  Just the nature of how it accomplishes the same thing could come across as anti-climatic.What about the next encounter?  And the one after that?The caster has to consider some conservation from the word go of the very first encounter.Even if the second encounter never happens, the caster needs to hold some back just in case.Ok.  Please identify for me the spellcaster with the following:4 spD12 HDImproved uncanny dodgeFull BABmedium armor prof (and easy access to heavy armor if desired)No armor penaltysomething to balance stances4 bonus featssomething to balance the various "battle XXX" abilitiesJoe mentioned way back that the ranged attack limitation is solved by taking the specific PClass.  It occurs to me that just taking a single level of fighter would be even easier.Or barbarian even.</blockquote>

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