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<blockquote data-quote="bwgwl" data-source="post: 817935" data-attributes="member: 3876"><p>U.K. said:</p><p></p><p>IMO yes, that's more acceptable. the percentage of FR players buying Races of Faerun who also already have Monsters of Faerun is probably much, much higher than the percentage of all D&D players buying the Fiend Folio who also already have (and use) the Epic Level Handbook.</p><p></p><p>followers of a particular setting tend to get everything for it. one cannot make the same assumption with generic non-core rulebooks. not everyone who plays D&D buys (and uses) every supplement.</p><p></p><p>U.K. said:</p><p></p><p>but by putting in things in those books that require the ELH to use or understand, you are undermining their generic nature. in effect, you are making those parts of the book specific to campaigns that use the epic rules.</p><p></p><p>when faced with the decision to devote a certain amount of pages to material that's only useful to maybe 5-10% of D&D campaigns, vs. using that space on material useful to the other 90%, i think we know what decision the designers are going to make. (and i'd even argue it's the <em>right</em> decision.)</p><p></p><p>U.K. said:</p><p></p><p>there's a major difference here: the psionic monsters in the MM2 <em>do not require the Psionics Handbook to use.</em> their psionics are given as spell-like or supernatural abilities and they can be fully used with just the core rulebooks.</p><p></p><p>putting monsters in the Fiend Folio that use abilities, feats, or rules from the ELH is a different thing altogether -- those monsters will be useless to someone who doesn't own that book. this isn't the case with the psionic monsters in the MM2. now, having CR>20 monsters that only reference the core rulebooks is fine, but i think there might be a balance issue with that. (it seems to me that a core-rulebook-only CR 25 critter is not going to be as powerful as a CR 25 critter that has access to ELH material.)</p><p></p><p>i think your best bet for an epic-level monster book is to wait until after the ELH enters the SRD and hope for a 3rd-party release. i just don't see how it could be profitable for WOTC to do one, given the limited fan-base for epic campaigns. and again, devoting space to such material in otherwise generic books IMO is a bad idea, because it takes space away from material that is more widely relevant to the gaming community as a whole.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bwgwl, post: 817935, member: 3876"] U.K. said: IMO yes, that's more acceptable. the percentage of FR players buying Races of Faerun who also already have Monsters of Faerun is probably much, much higher than the percentage of all D&D players buying the Fiend Folio who also already have (and use) the Epic Level Handbook. followers of a particular setting tend to get everything for it. one cannot make the same assumption with generic non-core rulebooks. not everyone who plays D&D buys (and uses) every supplement. U.K. said: but by putting in things in those books that require the ELH to use or understand, you are undermining their generic nature. in effect, you are making those parts of the book specific to campaigns that use the epic rules. when faced with the decision to devote a certain amount of pages to material that's only useful to maybe 5-10% of D&D campaigns, vs. using that space on material useful to the other 90%, i think we know what decision the designers are going to make. (and i'd even argue it's the [i]right[/i] decision.) U.K. said: there's a major difference here: the psionic monsters in the MM2 [i]do not require the Psionics Handbook to use.[/i] their psionics are given as spell-like or supernatural abilities and they can be fully used with just the core rulebooks. putting monsters in the Fiend Folio that use abilities, feats, or rules from the ELH is a different thing altogether -- those monsters will be useless to someone who doesn't own that book. this isn't the case with the psionic monsters in the MM2. now, having CR>20 monsters that only reference the core rulebooks is fine, but i think there might be a balance issue with that. (it seems to me that a core-rulebook-only CR 25 critter is not going to be as powerful as a CR 25 critter that has access to ELH material.) i think your best bet for an epic-level monster book is to wait until after the ELH enters the SRD and hope for a 3rd-party release. i just don't see how it could be profitable for WOTC to do one, given the limited fan-base for epic campaigns. and again, devoting space to such material in otherwise generic books IMO is a bad idea, because it takes space away from material that is more widely relevant to the gaming community as a whole. [/QUOTE]
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