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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Little Raven" data-source="post: 819219" data-attributes="member: 10095">I wouldn't say it's a flaw. You're a gamer, and like all gamers, you want material that YOU can use, everyone else be damned. I know, I'm the same way.The designers and developers on the other hand, have to take a look at the contents of the book and make it as useful as possible to as many of the people in the industry as possible.It's not hipocrisy. Usually, when they mention something from another book, they either reprint it in its entirity (many spells, feats, monsters, PrCs have had this happen), or they show you how to duplicate with the core books. For example, in Magic of Faerun they talk about monster from Monster of Faerun, but have a small sidebar that tells you what MM combinations to use if you don't have the book.Also... campaign settings are specific material for a specific campaign, not generic material for any campaign, like the Fiend Folio. If there was a campaign setting that was based on the ELH, then pretty much every release for it should have ELH material... but as that is not the case...We're discussing the inclusion of ELH material, which is employed by less than 25% of D&D gamers. Your minority gets an entire web enhancement that the other 75% doesn't use.And referring to these "most people" is futile and worthless. They are not even a sizable minority. They do not even make up 1% of the gamers in the world.Just like people that say "Hey, why is X out of print? Everyone I know would buy one!"... yeah, the 10 people you know personally would buy it, as would the 20 you talk to on the internet regularly. But the other hundreds of thousands of gamers wouldn't.Elaborate.Yes, but plans change. Core ideas for a book change. Look at the difference between the seed of the ELH rules they put in the FRCS. They were going to use that method, but roughly halfway through the process, they changed it COMPLETELY.And as for fools... take a look at the Sword and Fist... and yes, I'd call the people that put out that crappy book fools.A conscious effort to take 10 pages of material and make it useless to 75% of D&D gamers is stupid. That is what TSR did and that is one of the reasons they lost the market. They put in things that focused on such a minority that other gamers wouldn't buy products, myself included.Which is a core book. A book that all other books assume you have. A book you should have as a DM.The ELH is not a core book. It is not a book you are assumed to have. It's not a book that the MAJORITY of gamers even own.And for that minority, they have the ELH and the web enhancements. By your reasoning they should divide up books so that every 10 pages is worthless to 75% of gamers. So, when they devote those 10 pages to the ELH, after that they should devote another 10 to the PsiHB, since we can't leave them out after all, and another 10 to the BoVD... and since they added that, they'll have to put a mature rating on it.You are asking for pages to cater to your and a couple of your friends, while ignoring the many other types of campaigns that other people play. If they listened to all of the minorities, then the books would be effectively worthless, except for a couple pages.Any person with the three core books can use the Fiend Folio fully. A person with the ELH can use the Fiend Folio fully. If there were ELH monsters in the book, a person with the core books could NOT use the Fiend Folio fully, which would make it less valuable to the gaming community, and its sales would suffer for it.Actually, there is plenty in the Fiend Folio for ELH play... monsters can be beefed up, piled with templates, taking PrCs, all of which will make that monster a challenge for the EL character. And it still remains useful to everyone else, which is the point.It's called core continuity and the lack of it is what ruined TSR and AD&D.You're asking a market-share leader to favor one small fraction of the population, while ignoring the majority and the other minorities. That's a faulty business practice.He is a doofus, but he also has convictions. As he told me "I'd never buy a book written by a known bigot. Why would I buy a book with material I despise?"</blockquote>

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