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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 820086" data-attributes="member: 326">Hey Mourn! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Thats why I added 'in my opinion'....a designer. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Not at all, I'm happy if they want to include some psionic material in a book (that sort of subliminal advertising can often lead to people wanting to learn more about 'said' areas, which of course means more sales of that book).This is the whole crux of what I am talking about though:Epic/Immortal gamers are a minority, but assuming they represent between 5-10% of gamers (even though I am sure the percentage of gamers who own both D&Dg and the ELH is much higher) then when WotC release a generic product wholly with non epic/immortal material they are already fracturing their market!So to respond to your point; they are not making it as useful as possible to as many of the people in the industry as possible.The problem to which you attest is that certain gamers are not content with 190 generic pages of material if they have to 'stomach' maybe as much as 10 pages of psionic or epic/immortal material.More hypocrisy...you are saying they are allowed footnotes to outline material from another book in some cases but not in others!?Okay, and how does anything you have just said refudiate my points so far. I have been concentrating from the start on generic material not setting based material. Agreed. Thats probably the percentage who own the book though.To be fair those web enhancements are too specific though...prestige class updates for the most.True but they indicate a palpable cross-section.Irrelevant supposition. We are talking about 5% of a books content, not 100%.I did, you sliced the text off. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" />Yes thats called development.However, they didn't fall into trouble maintaining the page count in multiples of 16 which was the point of yours I was quoshing....if only the book had had some epic/immortal material in it then at least one of us would have been happy. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Firstly, obviously it wouldn't be useless since it could easily be written up to allow everyone to use it.Secondly thats not what T$R did. They brought out a plethora of whole books (not 5% of generic books) for minorities and spread core rules updates throughout multiple products.The exact point I am trying to make.The Monster Manual is a core book about monsters. Therefore if I want a book about monsters I go for the Monster Manual...it does exactly what it says on the tin.However, the Fiend Folio is not a core book but it is a generic monster volume. They don't have to pandy to the 'core' ethos.Firstly, I didn't complain about Psionic Monsters in the Monster Manual 2 - in fact I thought it was a good thing.Secondly, when I refer to Epic/Immortal gaming that includes Arch-fiends such as those from the BoVD...and the 'mature' title was essentially a gimmick therein. Obviously you could have included any of the Arch-fiends in MM2 and no one would have batted an eyelid.Frankly your whole resolve is wholly pessimistic. You are looking at books that would be 5% empty to you rather than 95% full.How the hell are we ignoring them when they are still getting 95% of the book for goodness sake!?Not at allWell of course we can 'beef' up monsters, we can also create our own, what you have to ask yourself is where is the impetus for gaming minorities to buy these books, eh"!? Thats why a few crumbs (such as I suggest) would increase the target audience.I already responded to your 'turning into T$R' argument.No its not. Typical gamers lose nothing - if you design a monster book to have 200 generic (by that meaning core only material) monsters, you simply add in a few epic/immortal or psionic ones so generic gamers lose absolutely nothing. Added to that you can still easily include this bonus material so that anyone can use it! Sales do not suffer - you are increasing your target audience from generic to generic + psionic + epic/immortal.There are a lot of people out there with convictions, but all the conviction in the world doesn't make you right.</blockquote>

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