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<blockquote data-quote="Shiroiken" data-source="post: 7865275" data-attributes="member: 6775477"><p>Well, obviously your group (or at least this DM) never played 3E or Pathfinder, where character design decisions are normally made at level 1 for the life of the character. THAT is a system with too many options...</p><p>The Paladin's lack of good sub-class has to do with the fact it's probably the best base class in the game. The sub-class is more flavor and a slight boost, rather than a defining feature.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Generally new players will struggle a bit deciding their first sub-class, since they haven't really looked ahead. If you use Feats, level 4 will generally be even more complex.</p><p></p><p>Our group is mostly experienced, and while we normally start at level 3, even when we start at level 1, everyone already has their character concept in mind... they just have to wait to level into it. Most players usually even have their level 4 ASI/Feat in mind if we start at level 3. After level 4 our group often runs into some character decision issues, because this is normally beyond the original "concept" and into the details of the character (especially spellcasters).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shiroiken, post: 7865275, member: 6775477"] Well, obviously your group (or at least this DM) never played 3E or Pathfinder, where character design decisions are normally made at level 1 for the life of the character. THAT is a system with too many options... The Paladin's lack of good sub-class has to do with the fact it's probably the best base class in the game. The sub-class is more flavor and a slight boost, rather than a defining feature. Generally new players will struggle a bit deciding their first sub-class, since they haven't really looked ahead. If you use Feats, level 4 will generally be even more complex. Our group is mostly experienced, and while we normally start at level 3, even when we start at level 1, everyone already has their character concept in mind... they just have to wait to level into it. Most players usually even have their level 4 ASI/Feat in mind if we start at level 3. After level 4 our group often runs into some character decision issues, because this is normally beyond the original "concept" and into the details of the character (especially spellcasters). [/QUOTE]
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