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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6056447" data-attributes="member: 27160"><p>For 4E at least they published the nerfs. One of my problems with 3.x was that there were a myriad of cases that really needed the nerfbat, but never got it - especially with "optional" systems (because, I guess, if you took the option you were supposed to know it was broken). I can cut the 4E designers some slack, since they were trying to produce a balance never before even attempted (as far as I can tell), if they made some mistakes and had to correct them. Maybe they took up all that slack and kept pulling, but at least they tried to get everything straight in the end. Now that we are at the end, I don't think they did a bad job. Several areas could have done with more expansion, but it doesn't even look like Next will be getting those expansions, so presumably they either don't see the need for them or have tried doing them and just can't get them right.</p><p></p><p>This is perhaps where I read the "everything is core" message differently. I read it as saying that, in 4E, almost <em><strong>everything</strong></em> is optional.</p><p></p><p>It's a bit like the saying "if you make everyone special, in the end no-one is special", but a lot more beneficial. If you make nothing optional, in the end everything is optional.</p><p></p><p>P.S. It seems I'm tapped out on xp to give to [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION], but his last post was a doozy, I think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 6056447, member: 27160"] For 4E at least they published the nerfs. One of my problems with 3.x was that there were a myriad of cases that really needed the nerfbat, but never got it - especially with "optional" systems (because, I guess, if you took the option you were supposed to know it was broken). I can cut the 4E designers some slack, since they were trying to produce a balance never before even attempted (as far as I can tell), if they made some mistakes and had to correct them. Maybe they took up all that slack and kept pulling, but at least they tried to get everything straight in the end. Now that we are at the end, I don't think they did a bad job. Several areas could have done with more expansion, but it doesn't even look like Next will be getting those expansions, so presumably they either don't see the need for them or have tried doing them and just can't get them right. This is perhaps where I read the "everything is core" message differently. I read it as saying that, in 4E, almost [i][b]everything[/b][/i][b][/b] is optional. It's a bit like the saying "if you make everyone special, in the end no-one is special", but a lot more beneficial. If you make nothing optional, in the end everything is optional. P.S. It seems I'm tapped out on xp to give to [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION], but his last post was a doozy, I think. [/QUOTE]
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