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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 6057487" data-attributes="member: 29398">Simplicity.&nbsp; And I don't really subscribe to &quot;roles&quot; as 4e has them, tied to classes.&nbsp; One's role within the party grows - or should grow - out of how you're played as a character, not what your character's mechanics are.Again, simplicity.&nbsp; Call the Vancian class &quot;Magic User&quot;, call the spell-point class &quot;Wizard&quot;, call the spontaneous caster &quot;Sorcerer&quot;.&nbsp; Three classes, three mechanics, one for each.Known World/Mystara wasn't far off either.&nbsp; And if you start from a basis like that then the &quot;Barrier Peaks&quot; stuff becomes an exciting diversion instead of an expected fact of life.Re: Drow and Elf in the same party:I see loads of story possibilities!&nbsp; They're all good for about one memorable session during which either the Drow kills the Elf or the Elf kills the Drow.&nbsp; Unless, of course, the DM is an asshat who won't allow PC-vs.-PC combat; in which case the player of the Elf (usually) gets screwed: the Drow player (usually, as it's exotic) will probably be more adamant about keeping his character in the game, so the Elf player either has to play against form whether she wants to or not, or roll up something new.Lan-&quot;Drow...bah! Not enough meat on 'em, and it's way too tough and stringy - must be the spider influence&quot;-efan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 6057487, member: 29398"] Simplicity. And I don't really subscribe to "roles" as 4e has them, tied to classes. One's role within the party grows - or should grow - out of how you're played as a character, not what your character's mechanics are. Again, simplicity. Call the Vancian class "Magic User", call the spell-point class "Wizard", call the spontaneous caster "Sorcerer". Three classes, three mechanics, one for each. Known World/Mystara wasn't far off either. And if you start from a basis like that then the "Barrier Peaks" stuff becomes an exciting diversion instead of an expected fact of life. [I]Re: Drow and Elf in the same party:[/I] I see loads of story possibilities! They're all good for about one memorable session during which either the Drow kills the Elf or the Elf kills the Drow. Unless, of course, the DM is an asshat who won't allow PC-vs.-PC combat; in which case the player of the Elf (usually) gets screwed: the Drow player (usually, as it's exotic) will probably be more adamant about keeping his character in the game, so the Elf player either has to play against form whether she wants to or not, or roll up something new. Lan-"Drow...bah! Not enough meat on 'em, and it's way too tough and stringy - must be the spider influence"-efan [/QUOTE]

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