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Message: <blockquote data-quote="timASW" data-source="post: 6057501" data-attributes="member: 6698787">Demon heritage is in no way unique to those races. The numerous demonic templates show that to be a fallacy. Also they have greatly different stories. Equating them is similar to saying American southerners and modern Muslims have a "unique understanding" of each other because they both owned African slaves. They both made a deal with the devil, they both expected great riches and power from it and both are now essentially caste based societies that gained nothing at all from their pact with evil. Does your average man in Georgia have any real unique cultural insight to people in Iran? No they dont.  It absolutely DOES MATTER. When a character is using something thousands of years of old and irrelevant to the campaign as a justification. If its a long time ago and no one talks about it and then this one player, out of the blue decides to make ANCIENT HISTORY as his prime motivation then yes it bears scrutiny.   Deep gnoes are a secretive underdark race. No one knows what the hell they look like and only evil underdark races and adventurers encounter them. Furthermore before 4e they did not look different and so had no mutations to justify. So kick 4e to the can where it belongs and that is not an issue. And everyone has fiendish pacts. That is not unique. Nor was it ever part of the deep gnome story before 4e. If 4e did that all. I ditched it as a bad bet before they got to deep gnomes.</blockquote>

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