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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6057547" data-attributes="member: 42582">I think you're confusing deep gnomes (svirfneblin) with grey dwaves (duergar). As best I recall, in AD&D duergar worshipped the evil dwarven god Abbathor. In 4e they worship Asmodeus and other devils.Huh? What makes you think it is irrelevant to my campaign? Pacts, myths and otherworldly loyalties are central to my campaign - the drow cultist, the paladin, the fighter-cleric, the ranger-cleric and the invoker are also defined, in part and in differing ways, by their loyatlites within the cosmological struggle.Here is a nice description, by another poster, of the heart of 4e (at least as I run it):In this sort of game, that you're descended from a people who fell after making a deal with the devil isn't irrelevant. It's crucial!As I said upthread, I dont know what sort of game you run, as I've never seen any actual play posts from you (and you've not pointed me to any).I'm getting the impression, though, that it's pretty different from mine.Yet only one of us (and not me) has to worry about players lying about their rationales for PC builds and interest in the game.</blockquote>