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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6057914" data-attributes="member: 7006">This has been talked about this before, Lan...4E proved pretty conclusively that a good percentage of the D&amp;D population doesn't WANT to have to use &quot;another class&quot;, because the name of the class is important to them.They want to play Fighters who are archers, not Rangers who are refluffed to be Fighters.&nbsp; And no matter how many times you tell them to just refluff, they'll says &quot;screw it, I ain't playing!&quot;So what we will have in your scenario is a whole heap of people who say &quot;I want to play a Wizard!&quot; but then follow it up with &quot;I want to use spontaneous casting because the other spellcasting methods suck!&quot;&nbsp; And if you tell them &quot;Well, play a Sorcerer!&quot;, they'll return with &quot;No, I want to be a Wizard!&nbsp; I want to be a technician-like spellcaster.&nbsp; I want a spellbook and find spells to add to it, and memorize spells and the whole nine yards!&quot;&nbsp; And then you'd ask them why aren't they playing a Magic-User, since the Vancian casting system has traditionally been used to represent that?&nbsp; And they'll respond with &quot;I don't WANT to use Vancian casting!&nbsp; I want to play a Wizard, and I want to use spontaneous casting!&quot;Regardless of how &quot;simple&quot; something is... if most people don't like the rule, they aren't going to play it, or more to the point, won't even bother playing the game.So making the same mistake in 5E that was one of (out of many) reasons given why people refused to play 4E is not the best way to do it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6057914, member: 7006"] This has been talked about this before, Lan... 4E proved pretty conclusively that a good percentage of the D&D population doesn't WANT to have to use "another class", because the name of the class is important to them. They want to play Fighters who are archers, not Rangers who are refluffed to be Fighters. And no matter how many times you tell them to just refluff, they'll says "screw it, I ain't playing!" So what we will have in your scenario is a whole heap of people who say "I want to play a Wizard!" but then follow it up with "I want to use spontaneous casting because the other spellcasting methods suck!" And if you tell them "Well, play a Sorcerer!", they'll return with "No, I want to be a Wizard! I want to be a technician-like spellcaster. I want a spellbook and find spells to add to it, and memorize spells and the whole nine yards!" And then you'd ask them why aren't they playing a Magic-User, since the Vancian casting system has traditionally been used to represent that? And they'll respond with "I don't WANT to use Vancian casting! I want to play a Wizard, and I want to use spontaneous casting!" Regardless of how "simple" something is... if most people don't like the rule, they aren't going to play it, or more to the point, won't even bother playing the game. So making the same mistake in 5E that was one of (out of many) reasons given why people refused to play 4E is not the best way to do it. [/QUOTE]

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