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<blockquote data-quote="Balesir" data-source="post: 6058412" data-attributes="member: 27160">OK, so the goalposts have shifted such that it's now not &quot;stuff that has been taken seriously in the past&quot; that should be excluded from fantasy, but &quot;stuff that is considered/is proven to be &quot;scientific&quot; that should be excluded from fantasy? Or is it &quot;stuff that is a part of the real world&quot; should be excluded from fantasy? Either way, I don't see much mileage, personally. Game worlds with no gravity or stars or day and night don't appeal to me much. And I generally prefer basic creature metabolism to work in a vaguely real-ish way, too, to pick just one example.If you have an actual sound definition for what you want arbitrarily to exclude, please get back to me. Otherwise, your current examples look a lot like random bias.So, what you object to is them being in a thing labelled &quot;Players' Handbook&quot;, not to them being in the game. Sounds to me like WotC already have the perfect plan to cover this one - don't bring out any book called the &quot;Players' Handbook&quot;!Sounds like the spin doctors got to you good! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Balesir, post: 6058412, member: 27160"] OK, so the goalposts have shifted such that it's now not "stuff that has been taken seriously in the past" that should be excluded from fantasy, but "stuff that is considered/is proven to be "scientific" that should be excluded from fantasy? Or is it "stuff that is a part of the real world" should be excluded from fantasy? Either way, I don't see much mileage, personally. Game worlds with no gravity or stars or day and night don't appeal to me much. And I generally prefer basic creature metabolism to work in a vaguely real-ish way, too, to pick just one example. If you have an actual sound definition for what you want arbitrarily to exclude, please get back to me. Otherwise, your current examples look a lot like random bias. So, what you object to is them being in a thing labelled "Players' Handbook", not to them being in the game. Sounds to me like WotC already have the perfect plan to cover this one - don't bring out any book called the "Players' Handbook"! Sounds like the spin doctors got to you [B][I]good[/I][/B]! :cool: [/QUOTE]

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