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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 6059750" data-attributes="member: 6689464">You are misunderstood, I'm not asking for all sorcerers to be spontaneous slot based as a default, I'm asking for them to get a simple default that captures the essence of the class and be balanced acording to it's strengths and weaknesses. Note that all of it has to interact appropriately with bloodlines or the choice not to have an explicit bloodline. As long as it is simple and supports the flavor of the class (hint not vancian on a million years) I will like it. But in order to amuse you a little let's assume I want spontaneous slots as a default and that different casting systems can be cleanly balanced using the same numbers (in reality I'm almost completely sure than it will need a complex cross-refferencing process or full write-ups for each class-system).  Even then: On "my system" (there is a default, rules to swap are somewhere else):I get what I want (a simple default that goes hand in hand with the class)You have to flip back and fort in the book to get what you want, but hey, you were eager to do it from the beginning, all you lose is some weird sense of legitimacy.  I still get the following benefits from a default: -There is a baseline, a common ground on what a sorcerer means and can do that allows for a better communication with other people.-I get the confidence that if an online DM makes no statement about the class is an implicit aceptance, and that any mention to the dial or default set-up beign changed is trully meant and not a guess.-It get's easy to teach to new players, "this is what a sorcerer means, after you get some experience you can change it if you want to experiment, but for now all you have to care about is the bloodline"On "your system" (no default): You get what you wantI get to play a slot vancian caster by flipping back and fort.I lose the baseline that allowed me to do all of those things above: -The common ground for the community is lost-Back to erratic DM behavior (it is not their fault)-What the hell do I teach to a new player? that many dials are just a run away novice waiting to happen.-Additionally the sorcerer is back to feeling like empty flavor.And more realistically I've got the feeling things won't get to be as simple and clean cut as you seem to think, so just by having no simple default any chance of getting soemthing simple are gone through the window. The only way I can think of them having a way to balance this is by making different casting mechanics not so different from each other, the sorcerer can be slot based, spell point based or even some kind of AED based, but in the end of the day can only cast spontaneously from a limited known spell list. Wizards can cast form spell points, slots, or even recharge, but at the en of the day still have to preppare a limited set from a potentially unlimited pool of spells known. That is the only way I can think they could do it, because spontaneous is fundamentally weaker than vancian, and vancian-spontaneous is way more powerfull than they think, it just keeps the strengths of both approaches while negating their downsides, an spontaneous vancian wizard gets the power to learn potentially every single spell in the universe and be able to fix things with enough time, and to top it off he no longer fears running out of ammo by prepparing utilities or not prepparing enough of each spell. Fear the unstoppable recharge-spellpoint-spontaneous-vancian wizard of doom!</blockquote>

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