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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7867574" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>I don't think I did.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, but they left writing as well. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was giving a single example in refutation of the claim that "One can assert precisely nothing about the subjective psychological experiences of people 2000 years ago." Contrary to where you are now heading, I wasn't the one that made an overbroad absolute generalization. You did. My single example refutes your overbroad claim in itself, and it was selected on the basis of its clear relevance to the topic because it involves introspection and reflection upon religious belief and not merely recitation. But I put it you that so far as your claim goes, even recitation in the form of spells, prayers, hymns, or sacred stories so forth tell us something about the subjective psychological experiences of people 2000 years ago.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Do you mean a single defining criterion? I don't think there is a single defining criterion, but if you really want to go out on this tangent, I do think we can show that there is a body of ideals associated with Christianity which have been highly and broadly influential, such that it is reasonable to assert that everyone who has lived in the wake of these ideas has been influenced by them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it is not. Apologetics is "the religious discipline of defending religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse". This, sir, is comparative religion, which is an entirely different discipline.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No, it's funny and apt. It shows Ares was the sort of raw insanity that even the Spartans - a nation that turned itself into a ruthless merciless weapon - feared. If you believed Ares was real, you'd want to chain him up as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7867574, member: 4937"] I don't think I did. Sure, but they left writing as well. I was giving a single example in refutation of the claim that "One can assert precisely nothing about the subjective psychological experiences of people 2000 years ago." Contrary to where you are now heading, I wasn't the one that made an overbroad absolute generalization. You did. My single example refutes your overbroad claim in itself, and it was selected on the basis of its clear relevance to the topic because it involves introspection and reflection upon religious belief and not merely recitation. But I put it you that so far as your claim goes, even recitation in the form of spells, prayers, hymns, or sacred stories so forth tell us something about the subjective psychological experiences of people 2000 years ago. Do you mean a single defining criterion? I don't think there is a single defining criterion, but if you really want to go out on this tangent, I do think we can show that there is a body of ideals associated with Christianity which have been highly and broadly influential, such that it is reasonable to assert that everyone who has lived in the wake of these ideas has been influenced by them. No, it is not. Apologetics is "the religious discipline of defending religious doctrines through systematic argumentation and discourse". This, sir, is comparative religion, which is an entirely different discipline. No, it's funny and apt. It shows Ares was the sort of raw insanity that even the Spartans - a nation that turned itself into a ruthless merciless weapon - feared. If you believed Ares was real, you'd want to chain him up as well. [/QUOTE]
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