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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Razuur" data-source="post: 168228" data-attributes="member: 1997">Where are all of these low products that people keep mentioning?  I have seen very few low quality items.There are a couple of course, but amny fit into the average category, which doesn't make them bad.They just contain a some usefuls, and some not.  There are some real good supplements, and a few great supplements.In the end, IMHO, the typical average product is no worse that your typical 2E Rp item for content.I think a lot of people pigeonhole a product as crap or low quality if it just doesn't mesh with my style or game.There are several products which just don't fit the type of stories that I want to tell, that just does not make them crap, it just makes them valuable to someone else.What do I think of prices, as a consumer (because I am not a publisher)?Right now, I think that most D20 stuff is priced about right, from my income perspective.  There are some D20 hardcovers that would be better as softcovers.  There are some softcovers that could get combined into one big hardcover.  I do think that ones income pays a big part of it.  Perspective too.  I too have seen a person eat out, go to a movie, and then buy a DVD only to complain that a RPG hardcover is $30.  I look at them like WTF?  the movie is gone, the meal is gone, your going to watch that DVD what 10 times in the next 10 years?  How many hundreds of hours will you be gaming?I too am more picky, finding myself risking less than I did when D20 exploded.  Risking less is not spending less, though.  I just want to make sure I spend my money the most wisely.  But that risk, comibined with online reviews has helped me narrow down the "quality cats" like Kenzer.  For the quality cats, I am more than willing to fork over more cash to support designers more.  That is a win win situation.  They become more stable and can grow even better with time, while I get better product.  I am less apt to spend more for "risks" products of unsure value.  I think that if a publisher proves their worth to me, or the web is hit with great reviews of their product, I will be willing to dip my toes in their water so to speak.  I still do make the occassional risky buy, but I am cautious.  It is buying things like the Kalamar CS that make me want to risk buying more.  I knew nothing about it, and now I own everything Kalamar they make because they are all such good quality.  I find successful risks make me ignore far more unsuccessful risks in the hope of another discovery.  Interestingly enough, I am less apt to buy WOTC because of my faith that they have a secure audience.  As a matter of fact, I can't even remember the last WOTC thing I bought... Oh yeah, Wheel of Time: Prophecies and CoC.  They only thing in my WOTC sights is Book of Vile Darkness.  EVERYTHING else on order at my game shop is independant d20 supplements (prolly $100 $150 worth a month at least).  That must make me atypical though, because these boards are filled with people screaming about they buy only WOTC and maybe one or two extras.  I am the opposite.  If that is true, how can the D20 industry be thriving though?  And I think it is...I do know that I buy no (except Kalamar) adventures.  I want rules, settings, crunchies, myths, legends, classes, ideas.  I will pay good money for good matrial in this dept.  In the end....  I WILL pay more for a gaming materials if they are great quality and useful.  I guess Mr. Kenzer and Mr. Dancey are right, IMHO.   If that means I buy less actual product, then the product I buy should be extremely useful!Razuur</blockquote>

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