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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Slaved" data-source="post: 3476718" data-attributes="member: 43358">From what Nail was saying this is not true. Plus, that number did not take into account spells or spell like abilities if I remember correctly.I am sorry that you feel my monster was an inappropriate choice. I was merely using it as an example of a creature of the same challenge rating that did not have class levels plus used d8 for hit dice. Plus it is available as an option for a first level character to have. What other example would you propose instead?That is fair. At 11th level a character with full base attack bonus will have 3 attacks on a full attack and I would assume that his average damage on a full attack is greater than the average damage of the wilders energy ray.I would expect a 10th level wilder who is focusing on the ray attack to have at least a 20 dexterity by now and his class will give him a base attack bonus of +7.This looks like 1 feat for energy missile, 1 feat for empower, and likely 1 feat for psionic meditation. For a nonhuman wilder this is all of the feats that they have available to use and that wilder needs to have a good charisma and at least a 13 wisdom. If he had a good dexterity to make the best use of his rays earlier as well then either we are talking about a very high point buy or some other statistics that are very low.Damage potential must take into account the targets chance to take damage. Since I was talking about the actual amount likely to be delivered to the target by energy ray miss chance must certainly be taken into account.I believe that fire and cold are also the most common of the energy resistances so that will likely play a factor as well.I am guessing that this character will not be getting energy missile. It would be helpful if we could stick to one thing instead of jumping around.Yes, it is possible to have a good chance to hit, I have not denied that. I am trying to take into account how much damage is likely to be done on average however and how it compares to what others can do.I am actually paying attention to the math that you are presenting but I do not feel that it is the whole story. It does not talk about what others are capable of nor does it take into account how very specialized the wilder is.If the damage compares well with other builds who focus and specialize on damage then the problem, if there is a problem, is far reaching. If the damage the wilder does is out of line then there will be something to talk about.I have to say though that each class gets its extra abilities at different times. If the wilder is ahead on damage at one level while behind at another that does not mean it is overpowered at one and underpowered at the other. At least I do not think it means that, others may disagree.This certainly seems important to me. At level 3 the wilder knows 2 powers and they are both first level but he can use them very well. Are they used too well? Your math so far does not say either way. It is currently insufficient. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown    :("  data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></blockquote>

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