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<blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 5669407" data-attributes="member: 63763">While it's a lot of options to try to cover each 'niche', like the artificer (wand + crossbow), the avenger (two hander + holy symbol), etc.&nbsp;The ki focus one seems like it's almost the same as the original ki focus expertise but also allows you to use a magic weapon that doesn't benefit from the ki focus.&nbsp;There are at least a few useful things in there in addition to just a basic &quot;let's you use a weapon and an implement, or a weapon as an implement&quot;. Allowing someone to actually use a instrument with the bard is a closed loophole. While a generic feat that would have worked in any situation would have been nice, having riders makes them at least more interesting a less of a 'useful from 11 to 14 and 21 to 24 but otherwise functionally equivalent to versatile expertise'. That or they could have just errata'd the original feat. But I guess they may want to encourage 'iconic' weapon + implement wielders over mechanically superior variants.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WalterKovacs, post: 5669407, member: 63763"] While it's a lot of options to try to cover each 'niche', like the artificer (wand + crossbow), the avenger (two hander + holy symbol), etc. The ki focus one seems like it's almost the same as the original ki focus expertise but also allows you to use a magic weapon that doesn't benefit from the ki focus. There are at least a few useful things in there in addition to just a basic "let's you use a weapon and an implement, or a weapon as an implement". Allowing someone to actually use a instrument with the bard is a closed loophole. While a generic feat that would have worked in any situation would have been nice, having riders makes them at least more interesting a less of a 'useful from 11 to 14 and 21 to 24 but otherwise functionally equivalent to versatile expertise'. That or they could have just errata'd the original feat. But I guess they may want to encourage 'iconic' weapon + implement wielders over mechanically superior variants. [/QUOTE]

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