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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WalterKovacs" data-source="post: 5670152" data-attributes="member: 63763">Then again, he could have easily: a) Got a handaxe instead of a javelinb) Taken Master at Arms instead of Axe Expertise Yes, the 'need' to have to buy up a backup ranged weapon, or an off hand weapon, or a second implement (for dual implement spellcaster), or a weapon + implement for those types of builds etc, are problematic. The inherent bonus system would definitely be a great way to deal with that probem, since there is still a desire to get magical items for the +1 or +2 bonus, but the 'backups' are never that far behind. I'm not against the idea of riders, but errataing the generic feats to do +1 per tier instead of the 15/25 would be a simple patch for corner cases not covered by specific + rider feats. [Also, it would be interesting to see a master at arms variant for implements ... arcanists with a second implement mastery would probably want to wield different implements, if no one else, so giving them some options would be nice. [again, updating versatile expertise would work just fine in that case]. They have made it easier (generally speaking, implement proficiency now allows a single implement to work with any and all implement powers, instead of needing to use overlapping implements, like wands for a bard + wizard or warlock. And, if you can get into the arcane power source, it isn't hard to get a bladed weapliment, while ki focus classes have the option to go either weapliment, or ki focus along with any weapons. So, there are only a few cases where weapliments are hard to pull off: Psionic classes, unless you are going with some hybrid/multiclass/theme/etc, are basically purely weapon or purely implement. There are some issues with druids, if they poach any sentinel powers they will have some weapon stuff to go with their implement powers [or a sentinel grabbing old druid dailies, etc]. There are some weapons with built in counts as an implement powers, but that's not necessarily the best solution. Divine characters are more likely to have a mix of weapon and implement powers, but there are also lots of weapon that count as implement options. They are probably the most in need of a solution. Perhaps something like a favored weapon feat which, based on your god's favored weapon, gives you proficiency, abitlity to use as an implement, expertise as a weapon and implement, and a rider, likely connected to the god. It may be a bit much to implement various weapon choices that way ... so it could just be a simplified: Favored Weapon: Weapon Group Certain gods would favor axes, hammers, heavy blades, light blades, picks, spears, bows, etc ... Then you can use weapons from that group as implements, and maybe get prof with military weapons of that type, etc.  Generally, for hybrids or multiclassers, the feat/gp cost of multiple items is likely the least of their worries, as there are a lot of other issues involved.</blockquote>

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