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Message: <blockquote data-quote="big dummy" data-source="post: 2884098" data-attributes="member: 41052">A crit with a dagger wielded by a normal human could only do 8 hit points.ROFL!!Ok, uh, somebody has been watching too many action movies.  Seriously though, this is exactly the problem with this kind of bogus information in D&D, it leads people to some really bizarre concepts which don't fit with any kind of reality, and break down immersion and internal consistency.  Heres the news:  a medieval dagger, with an average 12" blade, will kill ANYBODY.  Bruce Lee, Stephen Segal, the best MMA fighter, nobody is immune to being stabbed by a dagger  (or having their throat slit for that matter)A knife the size and strength of a medieval dagger is an extremely dangerous weapon.   Ask the British Police.  The mentality that a dagger can't hurt you if you are a good warrior is frankly ridiculous.  Kind of scary too.  I hope if somebody pulls a knife on you one day you don't just chuckle and try to cast magic missle on him.Any weapon which can punch through to the internal organs will kill.  The reason a sword is as long as it is is for reach, not extra damage (at least not extra thrusting damage).   That ties into the whole idiotic idea that swords weighed 10 lbs.  It's a cutting and thrusting weapon.  It's not an impact weapon unless you are striking with the pommel or something.Daggers (or knives beyond a certian length) are actually statistically more deadly than many gunshots.Plenty of warriors come home from Iraq every day, no doubt they have accumulated some experience points.  Don't tell me they are immune to dagger thrusts.BD</blockquote>

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