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<blockquote data-quote="shadowoflameth" data-source="post: 4822906" data-attributes="member: 62336"><p>#5 Unicorn's Touch. A small amount of healing. If that's unbalancing you're doing something wrong. Some characters have upwards of 15 healing surges anyway, and with a little gold can get more bang from a potion. Potent but not broken.</p><p> </p><p>#4 a level 13 power giving 4 (or more) is possibly broken, but I would not count buffs from other powers by other characters as breaking it. That's like saying a power is 'broken' when used with a powerful implement or weapon. It depends on all those attacks chance to hit, and the character having pumped a lot of ability points into one thing, the right 'one thing'. I lean towards disagreeing on this too, but I see the potential. Look at hurricane of blades (barbarian 27) 6 attacks 1(w) but consider with two weapon fighting and the possibilities of crit on 19-20 or with a vicious weapon, or a rogue dagger master who multi-classed to get it, and two weapon fights with vicious daggers criting on 18-20. definitely broken, but it took a lot of levels and very specific development choices to get there. Just in time to fight the terrasque.</p><p> </p><p>#3 righteous rage. read the power again, it is not an auto crit. It works 'on your next attack, if it hits, before the end of your next turn' If you're very next attack doesn't hit, you are out of luck, (even if you use rain of blows), and have spent a feat, a minor, your attack power, and your channel divinity for that encounter. It is awesome if it works, but it's not a sure thing. Granted the player will pick his shot for when he's sure he'll hit, but still, once invoked, he has until the end of his next turn. Awesome damage power, but not broken even for a striker.</p><p> </p><p>#2 If I am understanding guileful switch, the intent was for the warlord to be able to move up or to give an ally a more advantageous place in the initiative order, not to turn back time to the beginning of the round. If it were, that would definately be broken, as it doesn't just improve your initiative but effectively gives potentailly everyone another whole turn. If this is really what it looks like, then time for an erata answer.</p><p> </p><p>#1 rain of blows This one we have used in play. look at #4 to some extent. it's melee, and those multiple attacks have to hit to have effect. If you are DMing, and the 3rd level fighter is consistently hitting with all four, or more attacks using this power, than you need to through some higher AC foes into the opponents, or now and again have a foe with consiquences for hitting in melee. potentially broken granted, but there are readily available counters for at least some of the damage, even with 3rd level foes.</p><p> </p><p>Bottom line, you live by the cheese, you die by it. When I see a player start to abuse RAW showing something to be broken, I change the context, not the rule. rogue stunning everybody? grey slaad stuns him instead at least in one battle. fighter meet the savage berserker, meet the feyborn medusa, or better, meet the monster with the broken power you demonstrated your rules lawyeriness with last time we played.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="shadowoflameth, post: 4822906, member: 62336"] #5 Unicorn's Touch. A small amount of healing. If that's unbalancing you're doing something wrong. Some characters have upwards of 15 healing surges anyway, and with a little gold can get more bang from a potion. Potent but not broken. #4 a level 13 power giving 4 (or more) is possibly broken, but I would not count buffs from other powers by other characters as breaking it. That's like saying a power is 'broken' when used with a powerful implement or weapon. It depends on all those attacks chance to hit, and the character having pumped a lot of ability points into one thing, the right 'one thing'. I lean towards disagreeing on this too, but I see the potential. Look at hurricane of blades (barbarian 27) 6 attacks 1(w) but consider with two weapon fighting and the possibilities of crit on 19-20 or with a vicious weapon, or a rogue dagger master who multi-classed to get it, and two weapon fights with vicious daggers criting on 18-20. definitely broken, but it took a lot of levels and very specific development choices to get there. Just in time to fight the terrasque. #3 righteous rage. read the power again, it is not an auto crit. It works 'on your next attack, if it hits, before the end of your next turn' If you're very next attack doesn't hit, you are out of luck, (even if you use rain of blows), and have spent a feat, a minor, your attack power, and your channel divinity for that encounter. It is awesome if it works, but it's not a sure thing. Granted the player will pick his shot for when he's sure he'll hit, but still, once invoked, he has until the end of his next turn. Awesome damage power, but not broken even for a striker. #2 If I am understanding guileful switch, the intent was for the warlord to be able to move up or to give an ally a more advantageous place in the initiative order, not to turn back time to the beginning of the round. If it were, that would definately be broken, as it doesn't just improve your initiative but effectively gives potentailly everyone another whole turn. If this is really what it looks like, then time for an erata answer. #1 rain of blows This one we have used in play. look at #4 to some extent. it's melee, and those multiple attacks have to hit to have effect. If you are DMing, and the 3rd level fighter is consistently hitting with all four, or more attacks using this power, than you need to through some higher AC foes into the opponents, or now and again have a foe with consiquences for hitting in melee. potentially broken granted, but there are readily available counters for at least some of the damage, even with 3rd level foes. Bottom line, you live by the cheese, you die by it. When I see a player start to abuse RAW showing something to be broken, I change the context, not the rule. rogue stunning everybody? grey slaad stuns him instead at least in one battle. fighter meet the savage berserker, meet the feyborn medusa, or better, meet the monster with the broken power you demonstrated your rules lawyeriness with last time we played. [/QUOTE]
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