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<blockquote data-quote="wrightdjohn" data-source="post: 5981475" data-attributes="member: 43519">Compared to any rpg game ever written except D&amp;D, 4e D&amp;D is wildly successful.&nbsp; I think compared to D&amp;D pre-4e it was not.&nbsp; Thats just my opinion based upon WOTC's behavior towards the product and of course the sales figures we do have.&nbsp;&nbsp; And Pathfinder being 5% above or below D&amp;D 4e really wouldn't change my mind any.&nbsp; The size of Pathfinder alone is significant.&nbsp; Along with the zillions of retroclones.&nbsp; Perhaps all those other products are part of the cause but I'm only discussing the end result not why.Also the quality of a game is totally subjective.&nbsp; The only objective standard perhaps is sales but I could give a flying fig about any objective standard.&nbsp; If me and my group love 5e and the entire rest of the world hates it and burns the books in effigy, we'd still play it.&nbsp; Who cares right?&nbsp; I hope 4e fans feel the same way about their game.&nbsp; This is entertainment.&nbsp; If a movie that I know I'll hate is popular do I go anyway?&nbsp; Or do I go to the less popular movie that I actually like?&nbsp; I know what I'd do.&nbsp; So hopefully whatever the popularity of 4e is and I leave that to your own opinions, does that really influence your choice of game?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wrightdjohn, post: 5981475, member: 43519"] Compared to any rpg game ever written except D&D, 4e D&D is wildly successful. I think compared to D&D pre-4e it was not. Thats just my opinion based upon WOTC's behavior towards the product and of course the sales figures we do have. And Pathfinder being 5% above or below D&D 4e really wouldn't change my mind any. The size of Pathfinder alone is significant. Along with the zillions of retroclones. Perhaps all those other products are part of the cause but I'm only discussing the end result not why. Also the quality of a game is totally subjective. The only objective standard perhaps is sales but I could give a flying fig about any objective standard. If me and my group love 5e and the entire rest of the world hates it and burns the books in effigy, we'd still play it. Who cares right? I hope 4e fans feel the same way about their game. This is entertainment. If a movie that I know I'll hate is popular do I go anyway? Or do I go to the less popular movie that I actually like? I know what I'd do. So hopefully whatever the popularity of 4e is and I leave that to your own opinions, does that really influence your choice of game? [/QUOTE]

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