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<blockquote data-quote="Sunseeker" data-source="post: 5851028">Well now you're talking about including weapon bonuses in the calculations.&nbsp; Honestly there's already a +/-20 on the basis of you having to roll a d20 to hit.&nbsp; So really, when you're dealing with a +/-20, dealing with a +2 or a +4 really isn't going to make a serious difference here.&nbsp; Especially if your attack bonus is already something like 19.&nbsp; Being 23 or 21 really isn't going to make a significant impact on your roll.Sure, if your bonus @ 14th level is like +2, then yeah an additional +2 is a big deal, a +4 is an even bigger deal.&nbsp; But frankly if your bonus is +2 @ lvl 14, you're doing something wrong or your math is WAY too tight.&nbsp;Assuming, as you do, that the math is built for it, yeah, we've got problems, but honestly the math should only take into account the average, which in the +1 to +5 case would be somewhere between 2.5 and 3.&nbsp; And honestly, assuming a +2-3 bonus by 14th level that you may or may not have isn't that big of a deal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sunseeker, post: 5851028"] Well now you're talking about including weapon bonuses in the calculations. Honestly there's already a +/-20 on the basis of you having to roll a d20 to hit. So really, when you're dealing with a +/-20, dealing with a +2 or a +4 really isn't going to make a serious difference here. Especially if your attack bonus is already something like 19. Being 23 or 21 really isn't going to make a significant impact on your roll. Sure, if your bonus @ 14th level is like +2, then yeah an additional +2 is a big deal, a +4 is an even bigger deal. But frankly if your bonus is +2 @ lvl 14, you're doing something wrong or your math is WAY too tight. Assuming, as you do, that the math is built for it, yeah, we've got problems, but honestly the math should only take into account the average, which in the +1 to +5 case would be somewhere between 2.5 and 3. And honestly, assuming a +2-3 bonus by 14th level that you may or may not have isn't that big of a deal. [/QUOTE]

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