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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8600360" data-attributes="member: 71699">I was thinking something similar. Moves is defined and referenced, and that points well to the PbtA instantiation. TB2 adds nuance.In both cases, someone is at some point contemplating the fictional position and deciding on legitimacy. Say it's the GM in a PbtA game. They decide legitimacy at the point they say that a move was triggered. In TB2 there can be escalation of the sort you say, and that is examined for legitimacy per the rules on reaching. (And possibly the rules on good ideas suggest that some especially legitimate moves accurately answer all doubts.)You seem to be saying that what the player is guessing about is whether other players will agree that the fictional position legitimates their move. Where I presuppose a reasonable accord between players. It's not up to Jo to say - I don't like can-openers so nothing you declare involving can-openers will ever be legitimate. Jo has to accept Dro's declaration that they open the can of tomato soup with the can-opener. (And this is true even if the rules are silent on cans of tomato soup and can-openers.) This isn't a case of lines and veils, which is an agreement made in entering the magic circle, which of course could possibly exclude tomato soup, cans or can-openers.Its a game of - do the contents of the fictional position in your mind match what is in my mind. And - does what you think the contents of the fictional position imply match what I think they imply (whether the same or dissimilar from what I think they include)? To which GMs in some modes of play bring privileged information.In all these cases, what is in the fictional position is that which we intend. What you highlight, I believe, is that we are dealing with intentionality on a per mind basis. Which is what I think, too. And that certainly plays a part in guesswork. But... do you feel that in say DW it may matter more what the GM intends than what players intend? Given the GM decides when to say that a move is rightly invoked.</blockquote>

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