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Message: <blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8615485" data-attributes="member: 42582">This is not a "fictional position". It's a mechanical state of affairs. See further below in this post.This is not a "fictional position". It's a mechanical state of affairs.It also isn't changing anything about the fiction.This is not a "fictional position". It's a mechanical state of affairs. The fictional position hasn't changed since Dro declared I put a bolt in his face!Following the use of the trait, Dro adds to the fiction - ie that Harguld waited too long before taking his shot.The fact that Harguld waited is now part of Dro's fictional position - and, as per my post just upthread - it informs Thor's establishing of a consequence (ie afraid is OK, sick probably isn't).No. Dro adds - or, rather, suggests an addition - to the fiction that Harguld shoots at the Gnoll. Thor has three options in response to that: (1) reject the suggested addition to the fiction, but for the reasons I posted just upthread it's not surprising that Dro's action declaration is accepted; (2) treat the action declaration as a "good idea" and narrate something that follows; (3) call for a test. Thor calls for test.There's no evidence that Harguld is intent on an ambush - as far as I know, the Gnolls know he's there - only that he is intent on shooting at approaching Gnolls from his position in the cave mouth. But in any event it is the action declaration that leads to Thor calling for a test.I have no knowledge of how your group plays Torchbearer beyond your posts.Canonically, though, a tie does not generate new fiction. As we see in this case! (And I assume that Thor and Luke intend their example of play to illustrate the canonical game procedures.) Upthread (post 204) I already said a bit about the difference, in this respect, between a tie in BW and a tie in Torchbearer.In Torchbearer, the GM should only call for a test if things are tight.Suppose, instead of using the trait to break a tie, Dro had used the trait in advance of rolling the dice, to give himself a -1D penalty? He could have narrated it exactly the same way, and there is no reason to think it would be any more (or less) of a reach.</blockquote>

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