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Message: <blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 3163402" data-attributes="member: 22424">The problem was that they were so slow and so noisy. Plus, being of human rather than alien origin, these Cybermen didn't benefit from having technology that was a quantum leap above the rest of the world's. Putting these factors together, I fail to see how any normal armed force could fail to defeat them, especially once the initial shock factor had worn off.There isn't even the "OMG, we're shooting our own families!" factor to worry about, since they're deliberately dehumanised creatures.Now, when striking from surprise, against civilians, or when able to position themselves in a very advantageous position, I can see them having the advantage. But I didn't see how they could really gain that advantageous position in a realistic way.Plus, the way they walked was just goofy.There were some absolutely stellar moments in those episodes, notably the Doctor's line "because it hurts", the interrogation of the captured Cyberman, and the moment with Rose's 'mother' you mentioned below. But, really, I found they gave an impression of the fear generated by the concept of the Cybermen, but not a sense that these Cybermen were necessarily a potent threat, if that distinction makes sense.Fair point. On reflection, the most chilling Borg line was Locutus' dismissal of Worf's defiance with a simple, "Death is irrelevant."The impression I got from Ecclestone's Doctor was that he alwasy genuinely feared the Daleks when he met them, but when actually interacting with them he was all bluster and confidence. His insistance that they immediately destroy the Dalek in "Dalek", and the look on his face when the cloak was deactivated in "Bad Wolf" both betrayed real fear.By contrast, Tennant's Doctor seemed to take the notion of the Cybermen in stride. Indeed, he seemed almost gleeful when 'surrendering'. It felt like 'been there, done that', which is fine, but hardly conducive to producing a feeling of fear in the audience.(I was also mildly disappointed that he didn't even mention the possibility of trying gold, because you never know. But that's not really relevant to the matter at hand.)</blockquote>

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