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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7515378" data-attributes="member: 177"><p>No. I think he's a person that sees you as moving the goalposts. You asked a specific question, that implied an Earth of *TODAY*, with current technology. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are some things you can get past by throwing money at it, and some things you can't. Send cargo? Sure, that's just a matter of money. Come up with a couple miles of cable strong enough to do the job, but light enough to get off the ground? That's a materials science question, not a money question. Shielding? All current solutions to that problem are *heavy* - anything you want to go has to be boosted up from Earth, and that starts to get limiting, even if you have near-infinite money.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Some of them are outside the parameters of the OP, as stated. If you want to posit what happens if Toril shows up in 2118, rather than 2018, you get different answers to the question. If, every time there is a technical issue, you deny that it is an issue, your science is not particularly hard.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is so incredibly aside the point. Star Wars never really was science fiction - it is more properly termed "Space Opera". </p><p></p><p>He's the one who is trying to hold to current science, not dumb it down. In just positing, "we can solve it!" without considering exactly how far you are fast-forwarding the technical timeline, you are the one being softer with technical details!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Fantasy fists nicely with hard science fiction... if you are allowed to change the science! :/</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The goalposts are now no longer on the playing field - they seem to be out in the parking lot. Toril is not showing up here and now - it is showing up in a simulation that has Earth at an unspecified tech level, in which we will set up whatever technical solutions we need to fit the preconceived notion of the end state.</p><p></p><p>Sure, you can do that. Authors do that all the time. Nothing wrong with it. <em>But it is far outside the parameters you set in the OP!</em> The result is a sort of bait-and-switch. Don't be surprised when folks don't agree with you when you do that. It comes across as discussing in bad faith.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7515378, member: 177"] No. I think he's a person that sees you as moving the goalposts. You asked a specific question, that implied an Earth of *TODAY*, with current technology. There are some things you can get past by throwing money at it, and some things you can't. Send cargo? Sure, that's just a matter of money. Come up with a couple miles of cable strong enough to do the job, but light enough to get off the ground? That's a materials science question, not a money question. Shielding? All current solutions to that problem are *heavy* - anything you want to go has to be boosted up from Earth, and that starts to get limiting, even if you have near-infinite money. Some of them are outside the parameters of the OP, as stated. If you want to posit what happens if Toril shows up in 2118, rather than 2018, you get different answers to the question. If, every time there is a technical issue, you deny that it is an issue, your science is not particularly hard. That is so incredibly aside the point. Star Wars never really was science fiction - it is more properly termed "Space Opera". He's the one who is trying to hold to current science, not dumb it down. In just positing, "we can solve it!" without considering exactly how far you are fast-forwarding the technical timeline, you are the one being softer with technical details! Fantasy fists nicely with hard science fiction... if you are allowed to change the science! :/ The goalposts are now no longer on the playing field - they seem to be out in the parking lot. Toril is not showing up here and now - it is showing up in a simulation that has Earth at an unspecified tech level, in which we will set up whatever technical solutions we need to fit the preconceived notion of the end state. Sure, you can do that. Authors do that all the time. Nothing wrong with it. [i]But it is far outside the parameters you set in the OP![/i] The result is a sort of bait-and-switch. Don't be surprised when folks don't agree with you when you do that. It comes across as discussing in bad faith. [/QUOTE]
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