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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kahuna Burger" data-source="post: 1094729" data-attributes="member: 8439">Seasong, Your ideas seem to be pretty comprehensive, but they seem to assume total control on the torturers part of how badly the victim is hurt. It is certainly possible for a tourturer to inadvertently kill his victim prior to getting what he wants (esp in the punishment phase). Perhaps occasional heal checks would be in order, esp when the tourture is "makeshift".The second issue that isn't covered is that while there's a bluff/sense motive check when the victim lies, it seems assumed that the tourturer will automaticly believe the truth. Aside from just "hurting people" my impression has been that most tourture is actually to get a specific confession, not 'accurate info'. Even if the tourturer sincearly wants the truth, his bias and suspicions are going to play into things.Whether this would take the form of a victim on a failed will save being likely to give whatever info the touruter seems to want rather than the truth, or a sense motive check even when the victim is telling the truth, I don't think it can be ignored.Kahuna Burger</blockquote>