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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Edena_of_Neith" data-source="post: 2809498" data-attributes="member: 2020">Thanks for the replies.  Let me show a different take on the subject of feats ...  In chapter 1 of the DMG, they describe balance.  The way I see it, based on what I read, balance is:  a fair chance for all the players to have an equal share of the fun (in a one-on-one game, a chance for the singular player to a fair chance at a lot of fun.)  Ok, so I have a definition of balance.  I like this version of balance. I think this version of balance is great.  I most certainly want it in my games.  That said ...  Most novels and films, if converted into D&D games with many players, wouldn't fit within the criterion of balance, as I'm defining balance above.  For example, we see Sam threatening Aragorn in Peter Jackson's Fellowship of the Ring:  Unhand him, or I'll have you, longshanks!!  We just know what would have happened, if Aragorn had been an enemy:  squish.  In the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, the children are not the equal of the Lion in terms of combat power.  In Harry Potter, our famous young mage is not the equal of the head of Hogwart's Academy of Wizardry and Witchcraft.  Ok, so all these are givens.  We all know that characters in books and films are unbalanced.  We know you couldn't put such characters together in any adventuring party, and each of them have a fair chance to shine, relying on each other for survival equally.  (Aragorn:  Pippin, mighty hero, I am helpless!  You are 10 times stronger than me, and only YOU can save Frodo, the Ring, and Middle-Earth!  lol  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  )  But I do wish to create the book characters, within the parameters of the rules.  I think it would be interesting to see what all these heros and heroines would be defined like, within the 3.5 rules.  I'm guessing many of you are at least curious, to see how they'd shape up.  What I'm finding is, you can't create these storybook characters within the rules.  This is PROBABLY because I don't understand the rules well enough to do it.  But it is possible that the limitations within the rules (on number of feats, on skills, on all things) makes it difficult.  Now, you could just say that these are epic characters.  But I don't think all of them are.  Many seem to be well under 20th level, but they can do things characters under 20th level can't do (or so it seems, to me.)  As I said, this is probably because I can't figure out, within the rules, how to recreate them.  I'm just not knowledgable enough to do so.  But it is possible that the concept of balance is also in my way.  Characters in books and films are generally unbalanced.  They are oftentimes extremely unbalanced.  (Heh:  when that balrog showed up, it wasn't about balance.  It was about ... RUNNING.)  I want to create these characters WITHIN the rules, be they WOTC or d20.  Only if I cannot do that, will I start creating house rules to create those characters.  Until then, you will see me beat my head against the stone wall (the limitations of the rules) as if I were a battering ram.  Looking for rules that grant additional feats is a part of this battering of my head against the stone wall.  And yeah (sighs) the Feat Master allows a lot of feats.  But ... I guess ... it sorta seems unjustified.  There is no flavor, no in-game explanation (no fluff, as you'all would say) to explain the class.  So, I do not find the Feat Master to be the answer I was looking for.  I'm quite certain Aragorn, for example, did not start as a 1st level ranger, then spend 5 levels in Feat Master, before becoming a 2nd level ranger.  It just doesn't fit.  I can't fit a square box into a round hole.  On the other hand, perhaps Indiana Jones did take those 5 levels of Feat Master, before sojourning off on his adventures?   lol ...</blockquote>

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